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Mar 06, 2023 at 09:14 AM CST
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I've only been on this app a couple of weeks, and it didn't take me long to realize that these shippers are screwing the carriers. They expect the drivers to run their product for basically pennies. How can you pay a driver $1400 to run your product 600 miles?! That's two days' work. Fuel gon cost you close to $1000 to get there and back. So the driver is basically making $400 for two days of work. Drivers make these shippers pay you what you're worth. Stop taking just anything.
Replied on Mon, Mar 06, 2023 at 02:11 PM CST

You're absolutely right, and drivers aren't making $400 because there are other fees such as insurance, repairs and maintenance, etc. The driver may not be making only pennies. These last two months have been really bad and took another downturn last week.

Replied on Mon, Mar 06, 2023 at 03:50 PM CST
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Quote: "You're absolutely right, and drivers aren't making $400 because there are other fees such as insurance, repairs and maintenance, etc. The driver may not be making only pennies. These last two months have been really bad and took another downturn last week."

That should read, "the driver may only be making pennies..."

Replied on Mon, Mar 06, 2023 at 03:51 PM CST
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i see brokers like TQL on here trying to broker bulk loads 770 miles for 55 a ton maybe they should stick to there garbage van loads and let bulk loads to people that know what there doing
Replied on Mon, Mar 06, 2023 at 07:33 PM CST
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Everyone has started a "Brokerage" and on bulkloads .. More money in brokering than Trucking In my opinion Keep looking and say no to cheap Freight
Replied on Mon, Mar 06, 2023 at 07:33 PM CST
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The rates are set by the cheapest trucks. Lots of guys parked the dry vans and decided to hook on to a hopper..... After all, a lot of those guys pulling hoppers are running nice trucks so obviously the money is good right..... Now with the sarcasm off I will break it to those guys and let them know that those nice trucks are often paid for in part by a farming operation that hauls commodities on the side.... You can't compete with that.

Replied on Tue, Mar 07, 2023 at 09:25 AM CST
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I'm working on getting my Brokerage authority. I'll be charging 10%, that's it, that 's all. Not 25% or half of the shippers rate, just 10%. I'm currently developing relationships with shippers and will soon be posting. I'll show the driver the rate directly from the shipper so there won't be any confusion. Stay tuned.
Replied on Tue, Mar 07, 2023 at 10:06 AM CST
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Quote: "I'm working on getting my Brokerage authority. I'll be charging 10%, that's it, that 's all. Not 25% or half of the shippers rate, just 10%. I'm currently developing relationships with shippers and will soon be posting. I'll show the driver the rate directly from the shipper so there won't be any confusion. Stay tuned."

8 to 10% is the industry standard for most brokers. What is most needed from brokers is a truck-first mentality. Finding good lanes that offer great rates. The transparency of what the shipper is charging is a breath of fresh-air, but I'm not sure that it's enough to win over a lot of trucks. Good rates, knowledge of the industry, & passion for trucking logistics is what seperates the good brokers from the bad ones. This is a hard time to get into the industry. So many lanes are being undercut by newer brokers that are trying to get their foot into the door. Most shippers want the job done for as little as possible, and won't fork over some more money until you have a great years-long relationship with them. I'm not saying it can't be done, and I hope it works out. Good luck in your endeavors!

Replied on Tue, Mar 07, 2023 at 02:50 PM CST
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A week or so ago, I came across a broker that wanted a load hauled for $1.17 a mile. I told that broker I'm not going to pay you to haul a load. That wont even cover fuel for the empty miles. I got the response, " we understand the fuel is high " Not with a rate like that you dont!

Replied on Tue, Mar 07, 2023 at 07:17 PM CST
Snakes
Replied on Tue, Mar 07, 2023 at 08:26 PM CST
I think that the broker’s pay what they pay because out there is a lot of drivers and small companies that need to feed their family’s that’s why we have to do cheap loads but we need to do something if we want to change this but what can we do? I say if we can start not doing not loads for one broker at all, but we need a good leader to start this and share loads from other companies to feed the drivers that not going to do loads for this brokers and that may help some to start I know is hard but not impossible just need some of u guys that have some good intentions to make the trucking industry better and fair to everyone!! Just a thought!! Have a great day!!!
Replied on Wed, Mar 08, 2023 at 07:28 AM CST
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Rates are cheap because we are in a "Recession". Trucking is always the first to feel a recession. The government will come out in a year from now and admit it. Many brokers are out there cutting rates just to get business and keep money coming in. Carriers are taking loads at prices they shouldn't to keep paying the bills. Hopefully the spring will boost freight. When that happens there will be more loads than trucks, and the rates will have to come up to cover the loads. In the last up "Cycle", shippers and brokers felt they were getting screwed by carriers with prices being so high. When freight is low the brokers and shippers feel as if it's their time to dish it back. But, we know that will drive companies out of business and the next up "Cycle" there will be even less trucks and higher rates, and the "Cycle" repeats.

Replied on Wed, Mar 08, 2023 at 02:55 PM CST
Quote: "Rates are cheap because we are in a "Recession". Trucking is always the first to feel a recession. The government will come out in a year from now and admit it. Many brokers are out there cutting rates just to get business and keep money coming in. Carriers are taking loads at prices they shouldn't to keep paying the bills. Hopefully the spring will boost freight. When that happens there will be more loads than trucks, and the rates will have to come up to cover the loads. In the last up "Cycle", shippers and brokers felt they were getting screwed by carriers with prices being so high. When freight is low the brokers and shippers feel as if it's their time to dish it back. But, we know that will drive companies out of business and the next up "Cycle" there will be even less trucks and higher rates, and the "Cycle" repeats. "

When that day finally comes, how many folks will be able or willing to get into owning a truck? With a requirement for 50% down and 20% interest? The era of cheap money is over.
Replied on Wed, Mar 08, 2023 at 03:15 PM CST
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Quote: "Rates are cheap because we are in a "Recession". Trucking is always the first to feel a recession. The government will come out in a year from now and admit it. Many brokers are out there cutting rates just to get business and keep money coming in. Carriers are taking loads at prices they shouldn't to keep paying the bills. Hopefully the spring will boost freight. When that happens there will be more loads than trucks, and the rates will have to come up to cover the loads. In the last up "Cycle", shippers and brokers felt they were getting screwed by carriers with prices being so high. When freight is low the brokers and shippers feel as if it's their time to dish it back. But, we know that will drive companies out of business and the next up "Cycle" there will be even less trucks and higher rates, and the "Cycle" repeats. "

When freight was "high" as you put it, we were finally making a reasonable profit, enough to make being out here worth the grind. Those are what the rates should be all the time. Trucks should neve get squeezed to subsidize someone else's profit, but that's how it seems.

To that end, I'm gonna start a brokerage, AND a dispatch service. For a mere 8-10% I'll find you plenty of $2.00 a mile freight off the load board, sell your DOT numbers to someone who lost theirs, AND, FOR A LIMITED TIME ONLY, quick pay you for a paultry 4%. The fine print reads, for all transactions after Thursday at noon, the previously quoted rates go up 4% because lets face it, you're getting into my weekend...Ladies and gentlemen, the line forms to the left, WHO"S IN???

Replied on Wed, Mar 08, 2023 at 08:04 PM CST

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Pretty good video...

Replied on Thu, Mar 09, 2023 at 09:02 AM CST
Quote: "https://youtu.be/-Fn1WFHwXMk Pretty good video..."

That was funny, “OMG their drinking”, and operating a desk on private property, he,he.
Replied on Sat, Mar 11, 2023 at 04:42 PM CST

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