WTH Hoppers?

I have had the same fight /conversation with numerous people this week and I don't know what else to even say to anyone at this point other than run all miles, expenses and please quit running freight so cheap. But it's like we have to wait for them to run broke or something. It's exhausting

Thats one of the things wrong with this industry, most truck owners don't know what it cost them to operate. There is no way I could make a round like that work for me or any of my trucks. It will take some time but they will weed themsevles out running at that margin. The problem is there will be trucks standing by to replace them. We seem to have alot of trucks on the road around Texas with temp tags which means most likely they dont have insurance and run on a temp tag until they get caught or need another. All I can do is stick to the rates that work for our company and keep moving. I guess I still live on the old way of thinking and believe that our customer service will win in the end.

With that said yall stick to your guns on your pricing. Remember when that wheat gets ready here in a few weeks that our fuel is costing us nearly $2 more than it was last year and please quote your prices accordingly

I want to be fair too but I dont want to get taken advantage of either. You can't go off of what they say the rate per mile is. Most of them dont think about what it cost for you to run over and get that load, washouts etc. They only pay the "loaded" miles. The rest is at your cost. I figure in what my entire cost will be to run a load and if it pays for me to take it. Depends on what it is, where its going and sometimes who has the load and if they charge a percentage. You have to look at all expenses. If a broker calls you and says "this load will pay $4.50 a mile" I know I would take it but what will it cost for you to go pick up that load if you're 200 miles away and the loaded miles are only 300 miles. Would you still take it? I would not!

I appreciate that. I just pull out my calculator, but my numbers come very close to yours; within a couple of dollars. i will be using this for sure.

Whaaaat? You don't have backhaul tires, backhaul insurance, or a backhaul fuel program? Come on man get it together😎

I WAS REFERING TO DAVID KELLY'S POST

PRESIDENT REAGAN SAID IT BEST WHEN HE SAID GOVERNMENT IS A BIG PROBLEM! NOT THE SOLUTION! TRUMP SAID IT BEST WHEN HE SAID FOR EVERY NEW REGULATION ADDED TWO NEED TO GO AWAY! AS FAR AS GENERATIONS GO IT JUST COMES DOWN TO GOOD PARENTS, GOOD TEACHERS, GOOD SCHOOL BOARDS, AND PARENT INVOLVEMENT WITH THE SCHOOL BOARDS AND CITY COUNCILS TO HOLD ALL STAFF ACCOUNTIBLE. CHURCH INVOLVEMENT IS BECOMING LESS IN THE SMALL TOWN I LIVE IN. LOTS OF KIDS DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT I BIBLE OR ROSARY IS! I SEE A LOT OF KIDS JUST BEING IGNORED, FED AND CLOTHED BUT NOT MUCH MOTHER FATHER INVOLVEMENT NOT TO MENTION SO MANY BROKEN HOMES AND DIVORCE. SOME THE KIDS DON'T EVEN KNOW WHO THEIR FAMILY MEMBERS ARE. DAD IS SHACKING UP WITH HIS MISTRESS WHORE AND THERE ARE A BUNCH OF HALF SIBLINGS AND AND STEP SIBLINGS AND WHO KNOWS WHAT! AND I HAVE SEEN SOME OF THE BEST PARENTS WHO RAISED THEIR CHILDREN ABSOLUTLY THE CORRECT WAY AND KIDS STILL TURNED OUT TO BE COMPLETE LOSERS OR DRUG ADDICTS. SO DALE AND ART PLEASE DON'T SAY THIS IS ON ANY ONE GENERATION! I SOMETIMES MIGHT COME OFF A LITTLE PREJUDICE BECAUSE I WAS RAISED ON A FARM BY A FATHER THAT SERVED IN THE ARMY AND RAISED IN STRICT CATHOLIC HOME! I HAVE BEEN REALLY FORTUNATE TO LIVE IN A GOOD FARM COMMUNITY WHERE THE NIEGHBORS AND CHURCHES MINISTERS AND PRIESTS AND LAW ENFORCEMENT DO LOOK OUT FOR EACH OTHER VERY WELL!

I can't even spell back haul...Those two words get my blood pressure up about as much as "circle back'... If we as carriers, drivers, owner-ops, could ever find ourselves in agreement on there is no such thing as a backhaul, we would be on our way to better days... I believe WAAAAAY back in the day of regulated trucking, the rates were set so everyone made their money on the line haul, a back haul was the gravy on the biscuit. Then came de-regulation, and somehow someone (you know who you are), kept term after line haule rates went to shit.. I am not anti broker, however y'all REALLY need to drop that term and quit using it as an excuse for shit rates like others have said. Thank you!

Poly America in Grand Prairie TX. Moves their own products. I have a friend there. .70 a mile on the hub. He's been there 14 years I think.

DALE YOUR NOT EXACTLY WRONG! THE BIGGEST PROBLEM IS OUR GOVERNMENT, LIBERALS FOR THE MOST PART TRY TO DUMB PEOPLE DOWN AND USE THEM AS PAWNS OR BARGAINING CHIPS FOR CONTROL. THE SAME IS WHY SOME RELIGIONS OR GROUPS MIGHT ONLY TEACH THEIR CHILDREN TO EIGHTH GRADE. ALTHOUGH I WOULD HAVE TO SAY A AMISH EDUCATION TO THE 8TH GRADE IS PROBABLY BETTER THAN SOME OF THE WORTHLESS PUBLIC SCHOOLS TO THE 12TH GRADE! THE SYSTEM WORKS AGAINST PEOPLE LIKE SINGLE MOMS THAT MADE A BAD CHOICE AND THE FATHER WAS A DEAD BEAT! THE WELFARE SYSTEM IS A ALL OR MONE SYSTEM. THE MOM IS IS NOT GOING TO TAKE THE LOW PAYING JOB TO GET HER FOOT IN THE DOOR AND RISK LOSING ALL THE GOVERNMENT AID THAT WOULD PAY OUT MORE TO THEM. ALSO A DAMN GOVERMENT SOCIAL WORKER IS NOT GOING TO WORK THEMSELVES OUT OF A JOB! WE NEED CONSUMPTION TAX IN THIS COUNTRY AKA FAIR TAX OR SALES TAX. THAT WAY THE RICH WOULD BE PAYING IT BECAUSE POOR PEOPLE CAN'T AFFORD STUFF! OR MAYBE GOD FORBID IT MIGHT TEACH PEOPLE TO BE RESPONSIBLE WITH THEIR WALLET AND NOT BE SPENDING ON STUPID CRAP THAT THEY DON'T NEED. THIS COUNTRY HAS A BAD PROBLEM WITH PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY. LIKE PEOPLE SUING PHILLIP MORSE BECAUSE THEY GOT CANCER.

WELL HOW ABOUT WE JUST RAISE THE MINIMUM WAGE TO 500 HUNDRED DOLLARS PER HOUR. WOULDN'T THAT JUST SOLVE ALL THE PROBLEMS. GRANTED THERE ARE SOME THAT ARE WORTH THAT MUCH. IN MY LIFE TIME I HAVE WORKED VERY FEW JOBS THAT PAID BY THE HOUR NOR DID I REALLY EVER WANT TO BECAUSE I HAD THE STREET SMARTS TO KNOW IT JUST DUMBS PEOPLE DOWN. I ALSO REALIZE THAT ARE SOME JOBS THAT KIND OF HAVE TO BE PAID THAT WAY THOUGH. I WANT TO BE PAID FOR MY PERFORMANCE, TO SHOW I CAN DO IT BETTER, THAT I CAN BEAT A QUOTA, DO PEACE WORK, PERCENTAGE PAY, AND LEARN TO MAKE MYSELF BETTER! I HAVE SEEN WAY TO MANY CLOCK WATCHERS IN MY LIFE TIME. I WANT TO BE PAID FOR BEING A SELF THINKER, A LEADER, SOMEONE WHO CAN MANAGE AND ADAPT TO CHANGE, SOMEONE WHO TREATS PEOPLE WITH KINDNESS, GIVES RESPECT, AND PRAISE AND DEMANDS IT IN RETURN. AND IF YOU CAN'T HANDLE MY CAP LETTERS TOO DAMN BAD! ITS JUST THE WAY I AM AND I HOLD MYSELF TO A HIGHER STANDARD. PLUS I THINK IT TO BE EXTREMELY CREEPY WHEN JOE BIDEN WHISPERS IN HIS SPEECHES! THE MAN ALMOST MAKES JIMMY CARTER LOOK SMART!

i would suppose a small business could be some little kid selling lemonade and cookies in their front yard next to a street where the public can notice them or kid shinning shoes for people at an air port terminal and they can set their prices to however they wish to providing they have customers willing to pay and they could even hire on employees at what ever cost they wish to pay providing someone is willing to do it. THAT IS CALLED THE FREE MARKET! people having the freedom to do and chose as they please. my little niece was able to gross 90 dollars per hour selling lemonade and homemade cookies out of her front yard when she was in 5th grade! SHE LITERALLY HAD SREET SMARTS! she knew how to get busy on busy days! i have worked with all kinds of people. some couldn't help themselves out of the rain! some knew how to get by on very little, one driver that had to be told to go and cash his check, another that always needed advances. the best people i worked with were orphans and military people. i had one guy that grew up an orphan tell me he decided one day when he was young that he himself was the only one that could make a diifference for himself! i had a uncle that gave his kids everything! they have pretty much turned out worthless and today more broke. my parents and other people gave me opportunities and things to work with! BIG DIFFERENCE! I HAD TO GET OFF MY REAR AND USE MY BRAIN AND BODY AND MAKE IT HAPPEN! IT IS OUT THERE GO AND GET IT BEFORE THE LIBERALS TRY TO TAKE IT AWAY!

yes get rid of ALL subsides, government aid, welfare, public schools, i mean daycare indroctrination centers, foriengn aid, social programs, I'M WITH YOU TAKE AWAY FARM SUBSIDES AND YOU WOULD NOT HAVE REDICULOUS HIGH REALESTATE PRICES, AND RENTS. AND MACHINERY PRICES WOULD COME DOWN BUT I THINK GOVERNMENT LIKES TO GET IN THE WAY OF FOOD COST. GOVERNMENT HARDLY EVER SOLVES PROBLEMS. THEY JUST INVENT NEW ONES!

Let the free market work. Keep Government out of a businesses, business.