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Mar 26, 2023 at 10:53 AM CST
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I’m at the point in my career where I am doing this because I just happen to love this industry so much. That being said, I refuse to support the parasites of this industry like some of these cheap broker freight companies. I have dry vans, Reefer’s, and Hoppe bottoms. I will not haul any loads for TQL. I know unity in the trucking industry amounts truck, drivers and operators are as rare as a unicorn when we realize that we have the power to change and effect the entire economy of this country, maybe then will realize that we are in control not brokers!!!!
Replied on Mon, Mar 27, 2023 at 07:07 AM CST

I don't "love" this industry. But I know how to make money in it. SO, what's YOUR plan??

Replied on Mon, Mar 27, 2023 at 08:13 AM CST
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Good morning Dean, I think we need to make a stand on the rates. Cheaper rates of backhauls should not be accepted . Transparency and what a brokers, making off of a load that we are actually responsible for, shouldn’t be a problem. I believe unity with carriers can turn this around . Any suggestions ??
Replied on Mon, Mar 27, 2023 at 09:56 AM CST

No suggestions I would share. Should the transparency go both ways?

Replied on Mon, Mar 27, 2023 at 02:37 PM CST
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Quote: "Good morning Dean, I think we need to make a stand on the rates. Cheaper rates of backhauls should not be accepted . Transparency and what a brokers, making off of a load that we are actually responsible for, shouldn’t be a problem. I believe unity with carriers can turn this around . Any suggestions ??"

What is a backhaul?
Replied on Mon, Mar 27, 2023 at 09:13 PM CST
Exactly !!! A backhaul os a myth. Brokers try to use the word as a means to justify a cheaper rate .
Replied on Mon, Mar 27, 2023 at 09:13 PM CST
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Here's a suggestion. If those words (back haul) offend you, pretend you didn't hear them and go about your business.

Replied on Mon, Mar 27, 2023 at 09:14 PM CST
Quote: "What is a backhaul?"

The opposite of "line haul". Just words. About the biggest complaint of the complainers throughout the history of trucking.

Replied on Tue, Mar 28, 2023 at 07:08 AM CST
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Im not here to defend any brokers but what does knowing what they make off a load help you out. If its cheap and say they are only making 5% on the load are you now going to do it being they arent getting rich off it but if they are making 40% on it but you are still making the same you now wont do it? I think the transparency is for the complainers that aint making money. If you dont like the rate then dont haul it. If you dont make money on it dont haul it.
Replied on Tue, Mar 28, 2023 at 07:09 AM CST
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Quote: "The opposite of "line haul". Just words. About the biggest complaint of the complainers throughout the history of trucking."

dean..... ur wrong...the biggest complaint is people like urself that love the word backhaul and haul the cheap s*** in the truckin industry....take a line haul west for 4 bucks a mile...and a back haul they wanna pay 1 dollar a mile...nuttin to complain about there...seriously...do the math.. a damn 1st grader can figure those numbers dont compute...but u go 4 it....the rest of us will keep refusin to haul yhe cheap s***..we will leave it just so u can haul it...

Replied on Tue, Mar 28, 2023 at 07:30 AM CST
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I'm new to the grain and bulk family but not to the freight business. TQL treats dry van carriers terrible also. They are an arrogant bunch of idiots that think they are doing the carriers a favor while they sit behind a computer screen sipping coffee. The shippers have empowered TQL and other brokers with the ideology that the brokers are the trucking industry. We need freight transparency and full disclosure of the rates. It's getting worse each day and absolutely unfair.

Replied on Tue, Mar 28, 2023 at 08:35 AM CST
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I am new to the broker side or things, but not new to the industry. I am trying to help bridge the gap between shippers and drivers. For instance, I have a carrier based out of IN. I am trying to get them to run a lane from IN to VA, but in order for it to make sense, they want a back-haul. I was able to find them a lane from NC to IN as a back-haul. In total, I believe they will have about 360 dead-head miles. Normally, I consider a back-haul to be 80% of the front-haul. However, in this scenario, I will pay them the same rate as the front-haul because of the dead-head miles. Personally, I don't believe margins should be made known, as long as their is trust and a fair wage being paid to the driver, then everyone wins. I want drivers to succeed as much as I succeed. There is room at the table for all of us, if we are able to foster great relationships. I want to have a relationship...not just another transaction.

Replied on Tue, Mar 28, 2023 at 12:21 PM CST
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The good days of trucking are over, they were over when most of you arrived, you didn’t like the money you made as company drivers that’s why your here as a owner operator, this is the top of the ladder for you, rates are not set by brokers they are set by the idiots parked next to you, everyone got a trophy through deregulation, the good days are gone they ain’t coming back.
Replied on Tue, Mar 28, 2023 at 09:11 PM CST
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I've been having TQL on call block for past 10 years***
Replied on Mon, Apr 03, 2023 at 07:07 AM CST
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Quote: "Good morning Dean, I think we need to make a stand on the rates. Cheaper rates of backhauls should not be accepted . Transparency and what a brokers, making off of a load that we are actually responsible for, shouldn’t be a problem. I believe unity with carriers can turn this around . Any suggestions ??"

I had a broker say that loads were 20 miles from my house and that I should want to haul his corn for $2.30 pm and that a lot of drivers use them for backhauls. I won't haul for less than 3.40 pm
Replied on Tue, Apr 04, 2023 at 09:02 PM CST
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There is no scenario in which anyone should ever haul for that awful company.
Replied on Tue, Apr 04, 2023 at 09:03 PM CST

Can anyone please explain to me what a BACKHAUL is ? Then tell why they should done at a cheaper rate? I would really appreciate it !

Replied on Wed, Apr 05, 2023 at 08:26 AM CST
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New Flash!!! If you are a minority and still using TQL then you deserved to haul cheap freight.

Google was created to level the playing field.

Get off tic tok and do your homework!

Don't hate the Player hate the game!

Replied on Thu, Apr 06, 2023 at 03:25 PM CST
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Yes 100% . I refuse to move anything for TQL. Years ago they had decent rates but they are completely screwing everyone . We also have dry van and hopper. Someone at tql tried to tell me a target load in Nc going to Texas round trip power only was only paying 1700. 1700 is what we were making from target going from Nc to Chesapeake va . They are totally screwing everyone .
Replied on Thu, Apr 06, 2023 at 03:25 PM CST
Another part of your comment also. We do have the power to change and make what we need to. Drivers are out here away from their families working their butts off for Pennie’s . All it would take is the trucks stopping completely for a couple days and we could make some serious changes . This country would stop running without drivers . People need to realize how valuable you are
Replied on Thu, Apr 06, 2023 at 04:00 PM CST
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Quote: "Can anyone please explain to me what a BACKHAUL is ? Then tell why they should done at a cheaper rate? I would really appreciate it ! "

I like the way you think. I'ts time we get together for lunch...again😉

Replied on Fri, Apr 07, 2023 at 08:54 AM CST

Carrier: "I'm calling about that load going from A to B, is that still available?"

Broker:" yes, it's a load of X, it's a load of X, FCFS,6a-4p both ends. What can you haul it for?

Carrier:" what's are you paying on it"

As a carrier, if that's your answer you are the problem, not the broker. It's negotiating 101.

Replied on Fri, Apr 07, 2023 at 09:29 AM CST
Quote: "Carrier: "I'm calling about that load going from A to B, is that still available?" Broker:" yes, it's a load of X, it's a load of X, FCFS,6a-4p both ends. What can you haul it for? Carrier:" what's are you paying on it" As a carrier, if that's your answer you are the problem, not the broker. It's negotiating 101. "

Right on.

There was a good article on/in Overdrive March 22-23 titled Hold The Line: Owner-Op's Playbook To Push Back On Cheap Freight. Too many just don't know who's selling what to whom. Nor know how to price their service thus are easy prey.

This guy's story is a good one. You can bet it didn't happen overnight.

Replied on Fri, Apr 07, 2023 at 09:52 AM CST
Quote: "I like the way you think. I'ts time we get together for lunch...again😉"

You name time & place.

Replied on Sun, Apr 09, 2023 at 08:34 PM CST
I e been boycotting TQL and California since 2010. Life is so much better.
Replied on Tue, Apr 11, 2023 at 08:13 PM CST
Quote: "Carrier: "I'm calling about that load going from A to B, is that still available?" Broker:" yes, it's a load of X, it's a load of X, FCFS,6a-4p both ends. What can you haul it for? Carrier:" what's are you paying on it" As a carrier, if that's your answer you are the problem, not the broker. It's negotiating 101. "

I always ask to see if they will pay me more than im thinking but in the last few years that aint been the case. Most times now i be ready to hang the phone up
Replied on Wed, Apr 12, 2023 at 08:20 AM CST
Quote: "I am new to the broker side or things, but not new to the industry. I am trying to help bridge the gap between shippers and drivers. For instance, I have a carrier based out of IN. I am trying to get them to run a lane from IN to VA, but in order for it to make sense, they want a back-haul. I was able to find them a lane from NC to IN as a back-haul. In total, I believe they will have about 360 dead-head miles. Normally, I consider a back-haul to be 80% of the front-haul. However, in this scenario, I will pay them the same rate as the front-haul because of the dead-head miles. Personally, I don't believe margins should be made known, as long as their is trust and a fair wage being paid to the driver, then everyone wins. I want drivers to succeed as much as I succeed. There is room at the table for all of us, if we are able to foster great relationships. I want to have a relationship...not just another transaction."

why is the back haul 80% of anything? if it is a loop they are running ( or a lane ) you can live on either end of the circle.so if the driver lives on the far end of the loop does he get 80% of the other haul? not picking a fight i would just like this explained

thanks

Replied on Wed, Apr 12, 2023 at 08:57 AM CST
Quote: "Another part of your comment also. We do have the power to change and make what we need to. Drivers are out here away from their families working their butts off for Pennie’s . All it would take is the trucks stopping completely for a couple days and we could make some serious changes . This country would stop running without drivers . People need to realize how valuable you are"

if all of the trucks stop for one day our economy would collapse ( or come close to it) if i can find the article i wll post it on here

that really can not and should not ever happen its up to drivers and owners to make the rate what it needs to be. refuse enough of the cheaper loads they will come up. they are not going to quit shipping. as long as its being hauled at a cheaper price why would they pay more? i would like to hear one good reason. if i could get my product dhipped at two dollars a mile why in the hell would i say hold on .... i think i need to pay way more. if you dont know how much it cost to run a truck ( or trucks) you are in the wrong place i see people fail time and again because they did not either make enough or did not know how to manage money

i know some owner operators that are still running trucks that are broke and and will be out of business on the next major brerakdown because the do not know the difference between making money and cash flow

Replied on Wed, Apr 12, 2023 at 10:49 AM CST
Quote: "Carrier: "I'm calling about that load going from A to B, is that still available?" Broker:" yes, it's a load of X, it's a load of X, FCFS,6a-4p both ends. What can you haul it for? Carrier:" what's are you paying on it" As a carrier, if that's your answer you are the problem, not the broker. It's negotiating 101. "

I quote a price, you quote me $500 below the fair price. I ask over $3,000 for 1200 miles. Y'all hang up. Is that business? Or brokerage games? Keep your load and neatly pawn it off to some desperate driver trying to get home. I'm sure your offered rate will be generous. NOT!

Replied on Wed, Apr 12, 2023 at 10:50 AM CST

Rates for 4/12/23. Ranging from 1.27-1.63 a mile for 1335 miles going east. It costs a minimum of 1+ dollar a mile to run a truck. An average profit at the current rates would barely pay operating expenses if at all. The profit for the driver amounts to about .25 a mile or less. Obviously, it would not be a good business decision to run loads at the current rates. This explains the huge list of brokers and drivers going bankrupt.

As for demanding higher rates, nice try, making it the drivers fault for not demanding higher rates. As a dispatcher and company manager, I have been getting hung up on by almost all brokers when asking for 2.25 a mile.(A fair rate but a very low profit.). Not enough to bank for repairs and emergencies. I have several brokers on the brink of bankruptcy as no one will run their loads for penny profits. Suppliers are charging huge prices for their products and paying brokers and trucking companies below slave wages.

I agree with the drivers, let the product sit. my drivers will make more pushing burgers at the current minimum wage than what the company can pay if rates continue to be so low. That is the only way the government, sheeples and suppliers will listen.

The average consumer has no clue regarding what is making the prices so high for their everyday needs. They can guess, but it goes much deeper than lazy drivers not raising their rates. The profit makers are laughing their evil selves to the bank to count their profits. The transportation industry is going bankrupt or will disappear altogether.

When the 2024 election puts the squash on the socialistic economy that our current government is trying to control. The small businesses of the Great United States will flourish again.

Replied on Thu, Apr 13, 2023 at 08:56 AM CST

As someone who has been brokering for TQL for a year and a half, there are all kinds of people at TQL. It's a huge company; it doesn't have unethical company policies. They try to raise their brokers to do the right thing, but they're just humans. A lot of them are good, honest people, and most of them aren't doing bulk loads at all. Most of them who are work with farmers and they aren't making a killing. No one is making a killing working with a local farmer. That's just my opinion.

Replied on Thu, Apr 13, 2023 at 10:30 AM CST
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THAT A BIG FAT LIE...DID THEY TEACH U THAT
Replied on Wed, Apr 19, 2023 at 12:06 PM CST

unionization fixes that, but there are too many people uneducated to fairness and protections of said union

Replied on Wed, Apr 19, 2023 at 02:37 PM CST
Quote: "I've been having TQL on call block for past 10 years***"

hey dave is erich your brother

Replied on Wed, Apr 19, 2023 at 09:24 PM CST

Any of y'all got Walking Floor trailers in Houston? I have some loads I need help quoting for Q3.

Also, I'm in need of pneumatic trailers (vacuum & blower equipment required) in Norfolk, VA this week or next. Shoot me a message if you can help, or just boycott and ignore, but i think we can both make money on this one.

Replied on Wed, Apr 19, 2023 at 09:24 PM CST
Quote: "Im not here to defend any brokers but what does knowing what they make off a load help you out. If its cheap and say they are only making 5% on the load are you now going to do it being they arent getting rich off it but if they are making 40% on it but you are still making the same you now wont do it? I think the transparency is for the complainers that aint making money. If you dont like the rate then dont haul it. If you dont make money on it dont haul it."

So we know who is trying to screw us, for starters. If they are making more than "us" the owner operators that tote all the responsibilities of the load then we don't haul it. Not saying they shouldn't make money, but not more than they earn off our backs.