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Dec 04, 2020 at 12:13 PM CST
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A frameless that 40ft long, 96 wide and 60 inches deep. How many bushels of corn can a man haul? I’m new the the frameless world. Guys wanting to pay by the bushel
Replied on Fri, Dec 04, 2020 at 02:21 PM CST

well its like this that trailer will haul a lot more corn than what you can legaly haul

you will legal haul 800 to 900 bushel depending on how much your outfit weighs empty.

Replied on Fri, Dec 04, 2020 at 04:09 PM CST
Don't be afraid to ask the test weight per bushel before you bid the job. A 45 pound tw from a wet area and a 60 pound from a drought area makes a big difference in your bushel price. Good luck
Replied on Fri, Dec 04, 2020 at 04:53 PM CST
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Thank you sir
Replied on Sun, Dec 06, 2020 at 06:27 AM CST
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If you haul by the ton/mile you don't worry about bushel rate.
Replied on Sun, Dec 06, 2020 at 06:27 AM CST
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You always use 56 lbs per bushel for corn
Replied on Sun, Dec 06, 2020 at 10:35 AM CST
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Quote: "You always use 56 lbs per bushel for corn"

I've hauled 45 pound and 60 pound corn. You know what happens when you assume....
Replied on Sun, Dec 06, 2020 at 09:24 PM CST
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All the corn I ever hauled was based on a set test weight of 56 lbs a bushel.
Replied on Mon, Dec 07, 2020 at 07:39 AM CST
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So for you guys that always use 56 no matter what, what do you do when its different? A 4 or 5 pound difference is close to 10 percent of the gross....if the test weight is 60, I personally would want more per bushel, and that seems pretty common test weight in organic, or drought or low yield areas. If it's way less weight, im personally going to want less per bushel because ill have way more bushels on, such as 2019 drowned out or stalk damaged corn. Just my opinion, to each their own.
Replied on Mon, Dec 07, 2020 at 09:56 AM CST
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56 is the standard, no exceptions. That's what the elevator bases the grade on as well. The farmers get docked and it comes off their end. But trucks get 56.

Replied on Mon, Dec 07, 2020 at 12:30 PM CST
20 minutes ago I unloaded organic corn that had a 61.8 pound tw. If there's no exceptions to 56, your elevator is not measuring what the tw actually is. Otherwise why would there be hundreds of north dakots farmers with corn that they can't sell because it was lower than 50 tw ? That happened last year. Tw is a measurement, not a set number. Every bushel us different....unless you don't measure it
Replied on Mon, Dec 07, 2020 at 12:30 PM CST
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Quote: "56 is the standard, no exceptions. That's what the elevator bases the grade on as well. The farmers get docked and it comes off their end. But trucks get 56."

Are shippers paying 56 even if the tw is not 56? I feel like I'm misunderstanding?
Replied on Mon, Dec 07, 2020 at 12:51 PM CST
If you have 56000 on you get paid for a 1000 bushels no matter what the tw is
Replied on Mon, Dec 07, 2020 at 01:23 PM CST
They pay x amount for 56 lbs of corn which is considered a bushel
Replied on Mon, Dec 07, 2020 at 02:32 PM CST
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Quote: "Are shippers paying 56 even if the tw is not 56? I feel like I'm misunderstanding?"

Correct Dale,

The actual test weight of the corn in your trailer means nothing other than the amount of volume your hauling. Example a load of 50 lb TW will likely fill your trailer completly full to get 56,000 lbs (1000 bushels). A load of 60 lb TW will not fill the trailer nearly as full to get 56,000 lbs (1000 bushels).

When hauling corn the net weight divided by 56 will always be the bushels hauled.

When hauling soybeans the net weight divided by 60 will always be the bushels hauled.

When hauling oats the new weight divided by 32 will always be the bushels hauled.

Test weight really has no bearing at all in trucking, the only time it matters to the farmer is if the test weight is so light that a price discount applies to the farmer, has absolutly nothing to do with the bushels your transporting.

Replied on Tue, Dec 08, 2020 at 07:42 AM CST
Amen
Replied on Tue, Dec 08, 2020 at 08:10 AM CST
Quote: "Correct Dale, The actual test weight of the corn in your trailer means nothing other than the amount of volume your hauling. Example a load of 50 lb TW will likely fill your trailer completly full to get 56,000 lbs (1000 bushels). A load of 60 lb TW will not fill the trailer nearly as full to get 56,000 lbs (1000 bushels). When hauling corn the net weight divided by 56 will always be the bushels hauled. When hauling soybeans the net weight divided by 60 will always be the bushels hauled. When hauling oats the new weight divided by 32 will always be the bushels hauled. Test weight really has no bearing at all in trucking, the only time it matters to the farmer is if the test weight is so light that a price discount applies to the farmer, has absolutly nothing to do with the bushels your transporting."

A bushel is a unit of volume. Test weight is the amount of weight it takes to get to a bushel.

You are correct lighter test weight will have more volume. However a 60,000 lb load at 60 lb test weight is a 1000 bushels. Whereas a 60,000 lb load at 30 lb test weight is 2,000 bushels and takes up twice the volume in your trailer.

As such if you have a high test weight product the rate per bushel must be greater in order to make the same amount of money on the load when we can only haul a set amount of weight in our trucks.

For example for a 250 MI load you want to make $1,000. If your truck can legally haul 60,000 lb, and the test way is 60 lb per bushel, then you must get $1/bushel. If you have a product that weighs only 30 lb a bushel then you must be able to haul 2,000 bushel at 50 cents a bushel in order to make $1,000 on the haul.

This is why products that have a lower density in the bulk world usually demand a premium such as soy hulls. This is because it takes specialized equipment to get a full load since your trailers must have a higher cubic foot volume.

Hopefully this helps.

The easiest way is to either do jobs by the ton or by the hundred weight (CWT). If you Google weight for bushel there is a USDA spreadsheet that gives average weights. That if you know your trailers capacity you'll be able to have a general idea of if you can get a full load. One us bushel is equal to 1.25 cubic feet.

Replied on Tue, Dec 08, 2020 at 10:17 AM CST
Quote: "Are shippers paying 56 even if the tw is not 56? I feel like I'm misunderstanding?"

Yes, shipper pay us based off 56 for corn.i don't want to sound like a dick,but this is something that's standard and has been since,well probably since rate wars began and whenever usda started grading grain. Mis understanding is probably why there is a problem with some rates as many were unaware it seemed. And Yes, there's farmers who have grain that doesn't fit the grade and is docked or sometimes rejected for test weight just like moisture.

Replied on Tue, Dec 08, 2020 at 01:50 PM CST
Quote: "Yes, shipper pay us based off 56 for corn.i don't want to sound like a dick,but this is something that's standard and has been since,well probably since rate wars began and whenever usda started grading grain. Mis understanding is probably why there is a problem with some rates as many were unaware it seemed. And Yes, there's farmers who have grain that doesn't fit the grade and is docked or sometimes rejected for test weight just like moisture."

No you're not being a d***. But you're doing you're best to insinuate stupidity. So I've been in trucking for 3 years, I have plenty to learn, 99 percent of the corn I haul is direct for the farmer. Its hardly ever conventional corn, almost always organic, or some type of specialized crop. I personally have never seen a scale slip that hasn't had a measured test weight printed on it. I literally watch them wait for the moisture tester to give them the moisture and test weight, they divide that by total pounds and write down that number as the total bushels.. I have always billed my customers what the slip says, I ask the aprox test weight before hand, so that im not contributing to the decline in rates as you are kinda insinuating. It sounds like I'm doing it wrong according to the industry standard. Or perhaps its only standard in the commercial conventional grain world. I'll have to look back on my previous paperwork and see where I went wrong.

Replied on Tue, Dec 08, 2020 at 02:37 PM CST
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Quote: "No you're not being a d***. But you're doing you're best to insinuate stupidity. So I've been in trucking for 3 years, I have plenty to learn, 99 percent of the corn I haul is direct for the farmer. Its hardly ever conventional corn, almost always organic, or some type of specialized crop. I personally have never seen a scale slip that hasn't had a measured test weight printed on it. I literally watch them wait for the moisture tester to give them the moisture and test weight, they divide that by total pounds and write down that number as the total bushels.. I have always billed my customers what the slip says, I ask the aprox test weight before hand, so that im not contributing to the decline in rates as you are kinda insinuating. It sounds like I'm doing it wrong according to the industry standard. Or perhaps its only standard in the commercial conventional grain world. I'll have to look back on my previous paperwork and see where I went wrong."

I only haul organic also. That's not the argument. In fact I didn't even want to argue at all. I just see you on here keeping others straight so I thought I'd tell you so you had the correct info. No big deal. And I see you guys telling rates all the time on here. That's how others learn where to start cutting away on rates. I'd just as soon not give them a ballpark to start. That's just a product of internet and modern times I guess.

Replied on Tue, Dec 08, 2020 at 02:38 PM CST
So I looked into it, and according to my wife and an fw cobb elevator, im wrong!!!
Replied on Tue, Dec 08, 2020 at 04:55 PM CST
It wasn't my intention to set anybody straight Charlie. Someone asked a question, I answered hoping to help. I answered big time incorrectly, I rationalized why I thought that and asked some questions myself, which Wes kindly answered. Being part of the conversation taught me where I was wrong, so I consider that a win as far as gaining experience goes. As far as rate discussions, if it weren't for people discussing rates, I would have struggled to realize that the way I was doing it when I first started, would break me. So im glad I was part of those discussions too. Maybe in the future I'll agree with you, that we should keep rates a secret, its my opinion now that discussing it helps more than harms if it's helping us collectively. Someone might teach me that it doesn't, but you don't know if you don't talk about it.
Replied on Tue, Dec 08, 2020 at 05:19 PM CST
Quote: "A bushel is a unit of volume. Test weight is the amount of weight it takes to get to a bushel. You are correct lighter test weight will have more volume. However a 60,000 lb load at 60 lb test weight is a 1000 bushels. Whereas a 60,000 lb load at 30 lb test weight is 2,000 bushels and takes up twice the volume in your trailer. As such if you have a high test weight product the rate per bushel must be greater in order to make the same amount of money on the load when we can only haul a set amount of weight in our trucks. For example for a 250 MI load you want to make $1,000. If your truck can legally haul 60,000 lb, and the test way is 60 lb per bushel, then you must get $1/bushel. If you have a product that weighs only 30 lb a bushel then you must be able to haul 2,000 bushel at 50 cents a bushel in order to make $1,000 on the haul. This is why products that have a lower density in the bulk world usually demand a premium such as soy hulls. This is because it takes specialized equipment to get a full load since your trailers must have a higher cubic foot volume. Hopefully this helps. The easiest way is to either do jobs by the ton or by the hundred weight (CWT). If you Google weight for bushel there is a USDA spreadsheet that gives average weights. That if you know your trailers capacity you'll be able to have a general idea of if you can get a full load. One us bushel is equal to 1.25 cubic feet. "

Your incorrect in saying that 60,000 lbs of 30 TW is 2000 bushels. That is not how it works the standards set for grain grades are:

Corn is 56

Beans is 60

Oats is 32

Milo or Sorgum is 56

There are standards for every grain sunflowers, etc.

So a 60,000 lb load =

Corn 1071.43 bushels

Beans 1000.00 bushels

Oats 1875.00 bushels

Milo 1071.43 bushels

Unless you are a farmer you don't need to know what the test weight of any grain actually measures, and honestly the farmer doesn't need to know either as the only way it effects the farmer is a price discount if TW is too low, specifically in our are if corn is under 54 TW. We haul pounds, the farmer sell pounds, TW really doesn't come into play on either one. Both the farmer and trucker is paid by the bushel (net pounds delivered divided by the standard TW from above)

Replied on Wed, Dec 09, 2020 at 07:37 AM CST
Quote: "Your incorrect in saying that 60,000 lbs of 30 TW is 2000 bushels. That is not how it works the standards set for grain grades are: Corn is 56 Beans is 60 Oats is 32 Milo or Sorgum is 56 There are standards for every grain sunflowers, etc. So a 60,000 lb load = Corn 1071.43 bushels Beans 1000.00 bushels Oats 1875.00 bushels Milo 1071.43 bushels Unless you are a farmer you don't need to know what the test weight of any grain actually measures, and honestly the farmer doesn't need to know either as the only way it effects the farmer is a price discount if TW is too low, specifically in our are if corn is under 54 TW. We haul pounds, the farmer sell pounds, TW really doesn't come into play on either one. Both the farmer and trucker is paid by the bushel (net pounds delivered divided by the standard TW from above)"

Well I ran my calculator "twice" 60,000 lbs of 30lb test weight came out to 2,000 bushels both times my friend. I'm not aware of any grain that would have a 30 lb. test weight but I believe that it was used as an example.
Replied on Wed, Dec 09, 2020 at 08:07 AM CST
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Quote: "Well I ran my calculator "twice" 60,000 lbs of 30lb test weight came out to 2,000 bushels both times my friend. I'm not aware of any grain that would have a 30 lb. test weight but I believe that it was used as an example."

That's not how it works...my friend

Here is a load of beans we hauled this week, net 55,740 lbs. TW is 54.70, if your theory is correct we would have hauled 1,019.01 bushels, but your not correct becasue the grading system uses 60 lb TW for soybeans. So we actually hauled 929.00 bushels, TW means absolutly nothing to truckers, and almost nothing to farmers.

Replied on Sat, Dec 12, 2020 at 05:20 AM CST
Quote: "That's not how it works...my friend Here is a load of beans we hauled this week, net 55,740 lbs. TW is 54.70, if your theory is correct we would have hauled 1,019.01 bushels, but your not correct becasue the grading system uses 60 lb TW for soybeans. So we actually hauled 929.00 bushels, TW means absolutly nothing to truckers, and almost nothing to farmers."

If farmer brown has corn at 30 lb test weight. Test weight is going to mean something to him. And its going to take a commodity sized hopper to get any significant amount of weight in the trailer. Test weight means the most to the mill. I've seen receivers push numbers on corn because it had a good test weight. So to say it doesn't mean anything isn't exactly correct either.
Replied on Tue, Dec 29, 2020 at 02:49 PM CST
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Quote: "A bushel is a unit of volume. Test weight is the amount of weight it takes to get to a bushel. You are correct lighter test weight will have more volume. However a 60,000 lb load at 60 lb test weight is a 1000 bushels. Whereas a 60,000 lb load at 30 lb test weight is 2,000 bushels and takes up twice the volume in your trailer. As such if you have a high test weight product the rate per bushel must be greater in order to make the same amount of money on the load when we can only haul a set amount of weight in our trucks. For example for a 250 MI load you want to make $1,000. If your truck can legally haul 60,000 lb, and the test way is 60 lb per bushel, then you must get $1/bushel. If you have a product that weighs only 30 lb a bushel then you must be able to haul 2,000 bushel at 50 cents a bushel in order to make $1,000 on the haul. This is why products that have a lower density in the bulk world usually demand a premium such as soy hulls. This is because it takes specialized equipment to get a full load since your trailers must have a higher cubic foot volume. Hopefully this helps. The easiest way is to either do jobs by the ton or by the hundred weight (CWT). If you Google weight for bushel there is a USDA spreadsheet that gives average weights. That if you know your trailers capacity you'll be able to have a general idea of if you can get a full load. One us bushel is equal to 1.25 cubic feet. "

So how much does a 50,000lb load weigh?
Replied on Tue, Dec 29, 2020 at 02:57 PM CST
Quote: "If you haul by the ton/mile you don't worry about bushel rate."

When I first hauled grain a place asked me how many bushels I wanted. Had no idea what a bushel was. Told him I wanted to weigh 85500. He had no idea how to do that .

I ended up asking what a bushel weighed and adding them up to get my load. Did not work out so well.

Replied on Tue, Dec 29, 2020 at 03:28 PM CST

It is my understanding that s bushel is a measurement and not s specific weight. X gallons of corn = a bushel no matter how much X weighs.

Now when loading X it matters what it weighs in your truck .

Replied on Tue, Dec 29, 2020 at 05:51 PM CST
Quote: "So how much does a 50,000lb load weigh?"

Please someone tell me I didn't just read this question...

Replied on Tue, Dec 29, 2020 at 05:55 PM CST
Quote: "So how much does a 50,000lb load weigh?"

A pound is a pound no matter what. So if you're asking how many bushel of corn in a 50000# load, it's 892.8.

Replied on Wed, Dec 30, 2020 at 07:28 AM CST
Quote: "Amen"

Hands down the best comment of all. LOL
Replied on Wed, Dec 30, 2020 at 12:28 PM CST

since you have the bushel thing all figured out....how much does a bushel and a peck of corn weigh

Replied on Wed, Dec 30, 2020 at 02:39 PM CST
Quote: "since you have the bushel thing all figured out....how much does a bushel and a peck of corn weigh"

Is this who wants to be a millionaire? 😄😄. 70 pounds...final answer.
Replied on Wed, Dec 30, 2020 at 03:23 PM CST

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