Cheap rates

Feb 03, 2022 at 08:11 AM CST + 35 - 1
Posted by a private FlatLoads.com member.	Posted by a private FlatLoads.com member. Remember when accept a crappy rate you are cutting your throat and everybody else's two we are all in this together stand together fall together

Replied on Thu, Feb 03, 2022 at 11:58 AM CST + 1
Posted by a private FlatLoads.com member.	Posted by a private FlatLoads.com member. A few years ago this forum was flooded with carriers arguing about rates, every few minutes there was some carrier posting a comment as carriers argued about how to run cheaper with each other, but today this forum is nearly dead, because most of them went broke, I know because I watch DOT numbers on safer and a bunch of those guys are now inactive. These days the forum is used more as a classified service for brokers or dispatch services, or someone trying to sell insurance.

Replied on Thu, Feb 03, 2022 at 11:58 AM CST

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A few years ago this forum was flooded with carriers arguing about rates, every few minutes there was some carrier posting a comment as carriers argued about how to run cheaper with each other, but today this forum is nearly dead, because most of them went broke, I know because I watch DOT numbers on safer and a bunch of those guys are now inactive. These days the forum is used more as a classified service for brokers or dispatch services, or someone trying to sell insurance.

Replied on Thu, Feb 03, 2022 at 03:16 PM CST
Posted by a private FlatLoads.com member.	Posted by a private FlatLoads.com member. Quote: "A few years ago this forum was flooded with carriers arguing about rates, every few minutes there was some carrier posting a comment as carriers argued about how to run cheaper with each other, but today this forum is nearly dead, because most of them went broke, I know because I watch DOT numbers on safer and a bunch of those guys are now inactive. These days the forum is used more as a classified service for brokers or dispatch services, or someone trying to sell insurance." We need a forum post about chocolate and marshmallow bunnies

Replied on Thu, Feb 03, 2022 at 03:16 PM CST

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Quote: "A few years ago this forum was flooded with carriers arguing about rates, every few minutes there was some carrier posting a comment as carriers argued about how to run cheaper with each other, but today this forum is nearly dead, because most of them went broke, I know because I watch DOT numbers on safer and a bunch of those guys are now inactive. These days the forum is used more as a classified service for brokers or dispatch services, or someone trying to sell insurance."

We need a forum post about chocolate and marshmallow bunnies

Replied on Thu, Feb 03, 2022 at 05:00 PM CST + 1
Posted by a private FlatLoads.com member.	Posted by a private FlatLoads.com member. Quote: "We need a forum post about chocolate and marshmallow bunnies" Someone would be pissed about the cost and 27 pages of back and forth would erupt blaming it on the government, or the marshmallow bunny brokers. Then, a hundred dispatch services, or marshmallow bunny purchasing managers, would jump in and to try to get you to pay them a commission because they could save you money on the purchase. Finally, the factoring companies would jump in and help you alleviate the financial complications the purchase would bring to your cash flow by financing the purchase..😂😂

Replied on Thu, Feb 03, 2022 at 05:00 PM CST

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Posted by a private FlatLoads.com member.

Quote: "We need a forum post about chocolate and marshmallow bunnies"

Someone would be pissed about the cost and 27 pages of back and forth would erupt blaming it on the government, or the marshmallow bunny brokers. Then, a hundred dispatch services, or marshmallow bunny purchasing managers, would jump in and to try to get you to pay them a commission because they could save you money on the purchase. Finally, the factoring companies would jump in and help you alleviate the financial complications the purchase would bring to your cash flow by financing the purchase..😂😂

Replied on Thu, Feb 03, 2022 at 09:24 PM CST + 1
Posted by a private FlatLoads.com member.	Posted by a private FlatLoads.com member. Quote: "We need a forum post about chocolate and marshmallow bunnies" I think Joe Rogan tried that already, the whole brownie thing that is, LOL.

Replied on Thu, Feb 03, 2022 at 09:24 PM CST + 1
Posted by a private FlatLoads.com member.	Posted by a private FlatLoads.com member. Quote: "Someone would be pissed about the cost and 27 pages of back and forth would erupt blaming it on the government, or the marshmallow bunny brokers. Then, a hundred dispatch services, or marshmallow bunny purchasing managers, would jump in and to try to get you to pay them a commission because they could save you money on the purchase. Finally, the factoring companies would jump in and help you alleviate the financial complications the purchase would bring to your cash flow by financing the purchase..😂😂" You left out the debate weather to use stativa or indica in the bunny brownies, this is the era of Amazon and the carriers for Cannabis coalition after all. That may be a important sticking point with the younger drivers out there.

Replied on Thu, Feb 03, 2022 at 09:24 PM CST

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Posted by a private FlatLoads.com member.

Quote: "Someone would be pissed about the cost and 27 pages of back and forth would erupt blaming it on the government, or the marshmallow bunny brokers. Then, a hundred dispatch services, or marshmallow bunny purchasing managers, would jump in and to try to get you to pay them a commission because they could save you money on the purchase. Finally, the factoring companies would jump in and help you alleviate the financial complications the purchase would bring to your cash flow by financing the purchase..😂😂"

You left out the debate weather to use stativa or indica in the bunny brownies, this is the era of Amazon and the carriers for Cannabis coalition after all. That may be a important sticking point with the younger drivers out there.

Replied on Fri, Feb 04, 2022 at 07:59 AM CST + 1
Posted by a private FlatLoads.com member.	Posted by a private FlatLoads.com member. Quote: "You left out the debate weather to use stativa or indica in the bunny brownies, this is the era of Amazon and the carriers for Cannabis coalition after all. That may be a important sticking point with the younger drivers out there." 😂😂😂

Replied on Fri, Feb 04, 2022 at 10:15 AM CST
Posted by a private FlatLoads.com member.	Posted by a private FlatLoads.com member. I parked my Dump Trailer for couple month and run a Dry Van Trailer to paidoff my Dump LOL

Replied on Fri, Feb 04, 2022 at 10:17 AM CST + 1
Posted by a private FlatLoads.com member.	Posted by a private FlatLoads.com member. Back to the original post, I agree completely. However, everyone's idea of cheap is the problem. As the saying goes, " One man's trash is another man's treasure". To that end, I'd like to share a tip on some REALLY GOOD hopper freight for anyone interested..$6.00 per loaded mile!!! There are however, a few MODEST fees associated with the loads. So, to be totally transparent, I'll break them down: $6.00 per loaded mile -$2.50 per mile Brokerage fee -$1.25 per mile Dispatch fee -$0.50 per mile fee to quick pay our factoring company -$0.50 per mile factoring fee Net to the truck $1.25 per loaded mile upon receipt, via US Mail only, of your paperwork, in the correct order, with no mis-spelled words, and formatted to our specifications, which we will let you know what they are via return US Mail, if we find any mistakes. And, for the 1st 25 callers, our industry leading detention pay of $18.00 per hour after the first 5, then it goes up to an eye popping $19.50 and hour for a cap of 3 hours!!!! But wait, there's more, for a limited time only, FREE COFFEE AND DONUTS for anyone being detained over 3 hours!!!!!! Who wants some? Don't be shy, take all you want! 😂 I hope everyone is safe and warm, yes I'm going stir crazy because the new truck is still not ready. It should only be a couple more weeks. Then get ready, I'll be taking most of the above loads because I have a new truck to pay for!😂😂😂😂😂😂

Replied on Fri, Feb 04, 2022 at 10:17 AM CST

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Posted by a private FlatLoads.com member.

Back to the original post, I agree completely. However, everyone's idea of cheap is the problem. As the saying goes, " One man's trash is another man's treasure". To that end, I'd like to share a tip on some REALLY GOOD hopper freight for anyone interested..$6.00 per loaded mile!!! There are however, a few MODEST fees associated with the loads. So, to be totally transparent, I'll break them down:

$6.00 per loaded mile
-$2.50 per mile Brokerage fee
-$1.25 per mile Dispatch fee
-$0.50 per mile fee to quick pay our factoring company -$0.50 per mile factoring fee

Net to the truck $1.25 per loaded mile upon receipt, via US Mail only, of your paperwork, in the correct order, with no mis-spelled words, and formatted to our specifications, which we will let you know what they are via return US Mail, if we find any mistakes.

And, for the 1st 25 callers, our industry leading detention pay of $18.00 per hour after the first 5, then it goes up to an eye popping $19.50 and hour for a cap of 3 hours!!!!

But wait, there's more, for a limited time only, FREE COFFEE AND DONUTS for anyone being detained over 3 hours!!!!!!

Who wants some? Don't be shy, take all you want!

😂 I hope everyone is safe and warm, yes I'm going stir crazy because the new truck is still not ready. It should only be a couple more weeks. Then get ready, I'll be taking most of the above loads because I have a new truck to pay for!😂😂😂😂😂😂

Replied on Fri, Feb 04, 2022 at 09:00 PM CST + 4
Posted by a private FlatLoads.com member.	Posted by a private FlatLoads.com member. 1.60 a mile cost to operate. You pull for anything less than 4.00 you are going broke. Slowly but surely you will go broke. Motor, clutch,towing, will bank rupt you

Replied on Sat, Feb 05, 2022 at 11:52 AM CST
Posted by a private FlatLoads.com member.	Posted by a private FlatLoads.com member. these are the first loads on the box trailker list and a lot of them bidded even higher than the rates listed. this is why people are running carriers out of the hopper business

Replied on Mon, Feb 07, 2022 at 08:23 AM CST
Posted by a private FlatLoads.com member.	Posted by a private FlatLoads.com member. cant read it

Replied on Mon, Feb 07, 2022 at 02:09 PM CST
Posted by a private FlatLoads.com member.	Posted by a private FlatLoads.com member. Quote: "these are the first loads on the box trailker list and a lot of them bidded even higher than the rates listed. this is why people are running carriers out of the hopper business" Apples to oranges. We do not pull refers so I don't care what they are getting! Look back a couple years, pre covid BS and refers were exiting that field in droves to come pull hoppers! It is all a big circle, but if you hang in with what you do day in and day out, you will make a good honest living, without hurting your customers. High rates are great but let's be realistic, thos rates get passed right back on to the consumer.

Replied on Mon, Feb 07, 2022 at 02:09 PM CST

Posted by a private FlatLoads.com member.

Quote: "these are the first loads on the box trailker list and a lot of them bidded even higher than the rates listed. this is why people are running carriers out of the hopper business"

Apples to oranges. We do not pull refers so I don't care what they are getting! Look back a couple years, pre covid BS and refers were exiting that field in droves to come pull hoppers! It is all a big circle, but if you hang in with what you do day in and day out, you will make a good honest living, without hurting your customers. High rates are great but let's be realistic, thos rates get passed right back on to the consumer.

Replied on Mon, Feb 07, 2022 at 03:42 PM CST
Posted by a private FlatLoads.com member.	Posted by a private FlatLoads.com member. Quote: "cant read it" Click on the picture and you should be able to read it..

Replied on Mon, Feb 07, 2022 at 03:42 PM CST
Posted by a private FlatLoads.com member.	Posted by a private FlatLoads.com member. Quote: "Apples to oranges. We do not pull refers so I don't care what they are getting! Look back a couple years, pre covid BS and refers were exiting that field in droves to come pull hoppers! It is all a big circle, but if you hang in with what you do day in and day out, you will make a good honest living, without hurting your customers. High rates are great but let's be realistic, thos rates get passed right back on to the consumer." Nobody in any of these discussions are turning their backs on their customers. I don't see how it isn't considered a poor business plan to continue to operate in a poor spot market with a hopper just because , when there is excellent opportunity elsewhere. I think the best way to keep rates low is to keep your head down and never look around and compare. There have been some pretty good rates out there the last couple years outside of the hopper market and for those of us that aren't turning our back on our customers I think that's a dang good thing. You seem to be the only person that doesn't think that's a good thing.

Replied on Mon, Feb 07, 2022 at 03:42 PM CST

Posted by a private FlatLoads.com member.

Quote: "Apples to oranges. We do not pull refers so I don't care what they are getting! Look back a couple years, pre covid BS and refers were exiting that field in droves to come pull hoppers! It is all a big circle, but if you hang in with what you do day in and day out, you will make a good honest living, without hurting your customers. High rates are great but let's be realistic, thos rates get passed right back on to the consumer."

Nobody in any of these discussions are turning their backs on their customers. I don't see how it isn't considered a poor business plan to continue to operate in a poor spot market with a hopper just because , when there is excellent opportunity elsewhere. I think the best way to keep rates low is to keep your head down and never look around and compare. There have been some pretty good rates out there the last couple years outside of the hopper market and for those of us that aren't turning our back on our customers I think that's a dang good thing. You seem to be the only person that doesn't think that's a good thing.

Replied on Mon, Feb 07, 2022 at 03:43 PM CST
Posted by a private FlatLoads.com member.	Posted by a private FlatLoads.com member. Now would be a good time for someone to post the price difference between a hopper and a box trailer, and other operating expenses like washouts and deadhead miles to go get one.

Replied on Mon, Feb 07, 2022 at 03:43 PM CST
Posted by a private FlatLoads.com member.	Posted by a private FlatLoads.com member. The customers will throw you under the bus. they look at there bottom line also. But you you are not doing what is best for your drivers to make a good living you are not doing your job. at least thats the way i look at it. if i can double the money for my drivers i am going to at least give them the option or i feel i am not doing the best thing for them. Trust me many many shipper will threow you under the bus faster than you can blink.

Replied on Mon, Feb 07, 2022 at 03:43 PM CST

Posted by a private FlatLoads.com member.

The customers will throw you under the bus. they look at there bottom line also.

But you you are not doing what is best for your drivers to make a good living you are not doing your job.

at least thats the way i look at it. if i can double the money for my drivers i am going to at least give them the option or i feel i am not

doing the best thing for them.

Trust me many many shipper will threow you under the bus faster than you can blink.

Replied on Mon, Feb 07, 2022 at 05:02 PM CST
Posted by a private FlatLoads.com member.	Posted by a private FlatLoads.com member. Ed, please define "good" in numerical terms. Also, are you implying that if you evaluate the other segments of this industry or try to get better rates that is somehow being dishonest? I'm trying to figure out the "good honest" part of your comment. In my opinion, running costs such as fuel, tires, etc. are all going up. A mile is a mile and a gallon is a gallon regardless of they type of trailer you pull. Based on your comment, at what point is it ok to raise rates? Fuel at $6.00 a gallon, $750 for a tire? Or, will you absorbe the increase costs and continue to run for the same rate in order to to do a noble service to your customers? Finally, do you think your customers will do the same as their costs increase so prices don't increase to the consumer? I think we all know the answer to that question. If you don't, a quick trip to the grocery store, or fuel island will give you the answer.

Replied on Mon, Feb 07, 2022 at 05:02 PM CST

Posted by a private FlatLoads.com member.

Ed, please define "good" in numerical terms. Also, are you implying that if you evaluate the other segments of this industry or try to get better rates that is somehow being dishonest? I'm trying to figure out the "good honest" part of your comment.

In my opinion, running costs such as fuel, tires, etc. are all going up. A mile is a mile and a gallon is a gallon regardless of they type of trailer you pull. Based on your comment, at what point is it ok to raise rates? Fuel at $6.00 a gallon, $750 for a tire? Or, will you absorbe the increase costs and continue to run for the same rate in order to to do a noble service to your customers? Finally, do you think your customers will do the same as their costs increase so prices don't increase to the consumer? I think we all know the answer to that question. If you don't, a quick trip to the grocery store, or fuel island will give you the answer.

Replied on Tue, Feb 08, 2022 at 01:08 PM CST
Posted by a private FlatLoads.com member.	Posted by a private FlatLoads.com member. Truckers have been having this same conversation since 1980 and nothing has changed, other than the fact this is now a job that has a 100% turnover rate, and truthfully it is that very dynamic that presents a major problem for Mr. Trudeau, who foolishly thinks these truckers will cave when the only reward for doing so is low paying freight that on a hourly breakdown equals that of a job at McDonald’s, the truckers could care less if he suspends their license, but you know who will care? The citizens when there is no food or fuel available how popular will Mr. Trudeau be with the voters then?

Replied on Tue, Feb 08, 2022 at 01:08 PM CST

Posted by a private FlatLoads.com member.

Truckers have been having this same conversation since 1980 and nothing has changed, other than the fact this is now a job that has a 100% turnover rate, and truthfully it is that very dynamic that presents a major problem for Mr. Trudeau, who foolishly thinks these truckers will cave when the only reward for doing so is low paying freight that on a hourly breakdown equals that of a job at McDonald’s, the truckers could care less if he suspends their license, but you know who will care? The citizens when there is no food or fuel available how popular will Mr. Trudeau be with the voters then?

Replied on Tue, Feb 08, 2022 at 03:17 PM CST + 1
Posted by a private FlatLoads.com member.	Posted by a private FlatLoads.com member. Quote: "1.60 a mile cost to operate. You pull for anything less than 4.00 you are going broke. Slowly but surely you will go broke. Motor, clutch,towing, will bank rupt you " ATRI list the per mile average cost at around $1.80. I can almost guarantee it's gone up since their last study. Our rates have not kept pace with our costs. 6th grade math is all you neen to figure that out.

Replied on Tue, Feb 08, 2022 at 03:17 PM CST

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Quote: "1.60 a mile cost to operate. You pull for anything less than 4.00 you are going broke. Slowly but surely you will go broke. Motor, clutch,towing, will bank rupt you "

ATRI list the per mile average cost at around $1.80. I can almost guarantee it's gone up since their last study. Our rates have not kept pace with our costs. 6th grade math is all you neen to figure that out.

Replied on Thu, Feb 10, 2022 at 01:09 PM CST
Posted by a private FlatLoads.com member.	Posted by a private FlatLoads.com member. Fully agree we warned our brokers we are going to park. We have watched fuel go up and our rates have dropped almost 1k each week.

Replied on Thu, Feb 10, 2022 at 04:21 PM CST
Posted by a private FlatLoads.com member.	Posted by a private FlatLoads.com member. So I'm usually oilfield that's pretty much what we do Frac sand... when I search loads on this board I'm seeing like $2 or 2.75 a mile is that what y'all usually get or do you negotiate higher or can you even do that

Replied on Mon, Mar 07, 2022 at 09:01 PM CST + 1
Posted by a private FlatLoads.com member.	Posted by a private FlatLoads.com member. Quote: "So I'm usually oilfield that's pretty much what we do Frac sand... when I search loads on this board I'm seeing like $2 or 2.75 a mile is that what y'all usually get or do you negotiate higher or can you even do that" When a broker offers a load that only pays $2.50 or anything less than $3.00, we can come to another agreed rate or I simply tell them I cant haul it for that rate. Especially now. I looked up the fuel surcharge and with fuel at $6.009 it shows you can charge $0.98 per mile. I'm sure they use the "shortest" miles on PC miler. I use practical and add about 25 miles to that. Going to a truck stop to fuel, driving around trying to find a place to park, possible detours, etc.

Replied on Mon, Mar 07, 2022 at 09:01 PM CST

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Posted by a private FlatLoads.com member.

Quote: "So I'm usually oilfield that's pretty much what we do Frac sand... when I search loads on this board I'm seeing like $2 or 2.75 a mile is that what y'all usually get or do you negotiate higher or can you even do that"

When a broker offers a load that only pays $2.50 or anything less than $3.00, we can come to another agreed rate or I simply tell them I cant haul it for that rate. Especially now. I looked up the fuel surcharge and with fuel at $6.009 it shows you can charge $0.98 per mile. I'm sure they use the "shortest" miles on PC miler. I use practical and add about 25 miles to that. Going to a truck stop to fuel, driving around trying to find a place to park, possible detours, etc.

Replied on Wed, Mar 09, 2022 at 09:15 PM CST
Posted by a private FlatLoads.com member.	Posted by a private FlatLoads.com member. There the same rate for several years, guess we just stay home

Replied on Wed, Mar 09, 2022 at 09:16 PM CST
Posted by a private FlatLoads.com member.	Posted by a private FlatLoads.com member. Quote: "When a broker offers a load that only pays $2.50 or anything less than $3.00, we can come to another agreed rate or I simply tell them I cant haul it for that rate. Especially now. I looked up the fuel surcharge and with fuel at $6.009 it shows you can charge $0.98 per mile. I'm sure they use the "shortest" miles on PC miler. I use practical and add about 25 miles to that. Going to a truck stop to fuel, driving around trying to find a place to park, possible detours, etc. " I was offered walking floor loads yesterday out of Arizona for $1.85 a mile to Texas. To be fair that included my deadhead to load. I was told they weren't having trouble covering them. To be nice all I can say is good luck to whomever thinks this is acceptable. Art Pfluger

Replied on Wed, Mar 09, 2022 at 09:16 PM CST

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Quote: "When a broker offers a load that only pays $2.50 or anything less than $3.00, we can come to another agreed rate or I simply tell them I cant haul it for that rate. Especially now. I looked up the fuel surcharge and with fuel at $6.009 it shows you can charge $0.98 per mile. I'm sure they use the "shortest" miles on PC miler. I use practical and add about 25 miles to that. Going to a truck stop to fuel, driving around trying to find a place to park, possible detours, etc. "

I was offered walking floor loads yesterday out of Arizona for $1.85 a mile to Texas. To be fair that included my deadhead to load. I was told they weren't having trouble covering them. To be nice all I can say is good luck to whomever thinks this is acceptable. Art Pfluger

Replied on Thu, Mar 10, 2022 at 09:28 AM CST
Posted by a private FlatLoads.com member.	Posted by a private FlatLoads.com member. Quote: "I was offered walking floor loads yesterday out of Arizona for $1.85 a mile to Texas. To be fair that included my deadhead to load. I was told they weren't having trouble covering them. To be nice all I can say is good luck to whomever thinks this is acceptable. Art Pfluger" I think that is what brokers are saying to get you to take the load. "Thats what everyone is hauling it for" BS! Anyone thats hauling a load for under $3.00 ALL miles is going to go broke. I'm like you. I simply say I need X amount for ALL miles or I can't take the load. And/Or charge a FS fee. I'm not going to starve!

Replied on Thu, Mar 10, 2022 at 09:28 AM CST

Posted by a private FlatLoads.com member.

Quote: "I was offered walking floor loads yesterday out of Arizona for $1.85 a mile to Texas. To be fair that included my deadhead to load. I was told they weren't having trouble covering them. To be nice all I can say is good luck to whomever thinks this is acceptable. Art Pfluger"

I think that is what brokers are saying to get you to take the load. "Thats what everyone is hauling it for" BS! Anyone thats hauling a load for under $3.00 ALL miles is going to go broke. I'm like you. I simply say I need X amount for ALL miles or I can't take the load. And/Or charge a FS fee. I'm not going to starve!

Replied on Sun, Mar 13, 2022 at 02:09 PM CST
Posted by a private FlatLoads.com member.	Posted by a private FlatLoads.com member. Quote: "I was offered walking floor loads yesterday out of Arizona for $1.85 a mile to Texas. To be fair that included my deadhead to load. I was told they weren't having trouble covering them. To be nice all I can say is good luck to whomever thinks this is acceptable. Art Pfluger" I've told brokers anyone dumb enough to run for that is probably to dumb to do business with.

Replied on Sun, Mar 13, 2022 at 02:09 PM CST

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I've told brokers anyone dumb enough to run for that is probably to dumb to do business with.

Replied on Mon, Mar 14, 2022 at 04:00 PM CST + 1
Posted by a private FlatLoads.com member.	Posted by a private FlatLoads.com member. I was offered a load today that was paying $1.12 a mile. I flat told them to come back to current times and that wouldn't even pay for a third of my fuel. Also told them good luck finding an idiot!

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