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Oct 23, 2020 at 11:18 AM CST + 17 - 1
Posted by a private FlatLoads.com member.	Posted by a private FlatLoads.com member. What's a good rate on hauling road salt out of lyons, I was thinking $2.25/mile

Replied on Fri, Oct 23, 2020 at 02:49 PM CST + 2
Posted by a private FlatLoads.com member.	Posted by a private FlatLoads.com member. You must drive a sailboat that runs on air

Replied on Fri, Oct 23, 2020 at 03:56 PM CST + 1
Posted by a private FlatLoads.com member.	Posted by a private FlatLoads.com member. 2.25/loaded mile is way to cheap

Replied on Fri, Oct 23, 2020 at 04:25 PM CST + 1 - 1
Posted by a private FlatLoads.com member.	Posted by a private FlatLoads.com member. $2.60 is more like it ..

Replied on Sat, Oct 24, 2020 at 02:12 PM CST
Posted by a private FlatLoads.com member.	Posted by a private FlatLoads.com member. Anyone need help hauling salt 🤷‍♂️

Replied on Sat, Oct 24, 2020 at 02:12 PM CST
Posted by a private FlatLoads.com member.	Posted by a private FlatLoads.com member. Are you saying $2.25 all miles? If so that’s good

Replied on Fri, Oct 30, 2020 at 10:21 AM CST + 3
Posted by a private FlatLoads.com member.	Posted by a private FlatLoads.com member. I'm not a member of Bulk loads anymore , but still have access to their forums. I gotta laugh at all these super truckers getting over $2.5 a mile . Nothing on the load boards pay anything close to that. Unless it's a emergency load.

Replied on Fri, Oct 30, 2020 at 01:05 PM CST + 5 - 1
Posted by a private FlatLoads.com member.	Posted by a private FlatLoads.com member. Quote: "I'm not a member of Bulk loads anymore , but still have access to their forums. I gotta laugh at all these super truckers getting over $2.5 a mile . Nothing on the load boards pay anything close to that. Unless it's a emergency load. " Why do people think that good paying freight is equivalent to some mythical creature like a unicorn? Not to sound like a bragging butthead....but I think im officially the dumbest guy on this forum and I literally haven't hauled a load thats paid under 3 dollars per loaded mile in 6, maybe 9 months. 58000 pound payload in the hopper, 46000 pounds in the tanker. Now someone will criticize me and say I only short haul....27k miles last quarter, 26k the quarter before. 1 truck. Yep, a decent amount of empty miles, but thats my decision based on time allowed per trip. Again, not trying to brag, I was a C student in school, no fancy degree, average joe, I got lucky and got some good customers. ....stop putting good rates in the sasquatch and chupakobra mythology category. If a total moron like me can get in with good companies, then ANYBODY CAN. just my opinion. Have a good weekend

Replied on Fri, Oct 30, 2020 at 01:05 PM CST

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Quote: "I'm not a member of Bulk loads anymore , but still have access to their forums. I gotta laugh at all these super truckers getting over $2.5 a mile . Nothing on the load boards pay anything close to that. Unless it's a emergency load. "

Why do people think that good paying freight is equivalent to some mythical creature like a unicorn? Not to sound like a bragging butthead....but I think im officially the dumbest guy on this forum and I literally haven't hauled a load thats paid under 3 dollars per loaded mile in 6, maybe 9 months. 58000 pound payload in the hopper, 46000 pounds in the tanker. Now someone will criticize me and say I only short haul....27k miles last quarter, 26k the quarter before. 1 truck. Yep, a decent amount of empty miles, but thats my decision based on time allowed per trip.

Again, not trying to brag, I was a C student in school, no fancy degree, average joe, I got lucky and got some good customers. ....stop putting good rates in the sasquatch and chupakobra mythology category. If a total moron like me can get in with good companies, then ANYBODY CAN. just my opinion. Have a good weekend

Replied on Sat, Oct 31, 2020 at 02:40 PM CST
Posted by a private FlatLoads.com member.	Posted by a private FlatLoads.com member. Quote: "Why do people think that good paying freight is equivalent to some mythical creature like a unicorn? Not to sound like a bragging butthead....but I think im officially the dumbest guy on this forum and I literally haven't hauled a load thats paid under 3 dollars per loaded mile in 6, maybe 9 months. 58000 pound payload in the hopper, 46000 pounds in the tanker. Now someone will criticize me and say I only short haul....27k miles last quarter, 26k the quarter before. 1 truck. Yep, a decent amount of empty miles, but thats my decision based on time allowed per trip. Again, not trying to brag, I was a C student in school, no fancy degree, average joe, I got lucky and got some good customers. ....stop putting good rates in the sasquatch and chupakobra mythology category. If a total moron like me can get in with good companies, then ANYBODY CAN. just my opinion. Have a good weekend" There will always be critiques. What sounds good to one person is bad to the next guy. Ya'll know what works and what doesn't.

Replied on Sat, Oct 31, 2020 at 02:40 PM CST

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Quote: "Why do people think that good paying freight is equivalent to some mythical creature like a unicorn? Not to sound like a bragging butthead....but I think im officially the dumbest guy on this forum and I literally haven't hauled a load thats paid under 3 dollars per loaded mile in 6, maybe 9 months. 58000 pound payload in the hopper, 46000 pounds in the tanker. Now someone will criticize me and say I only short haul....27k miles last quarter, 26k the quarter before. 1 truck. Yep, a decent amount of empty miles, but thats my decision based on time allowed per trip. Again, not trying to brag, I was a C student in school, no fancy degree, average joe, I got lucky and got some good customers. ....stop putting good rates in the sasquatch and chupakobra mythology category. If a total moron like me can get in with good companies, then ANYBODY CAN. just my opinion. Have a good weekend"

There will always be critiques. What sounds good to one person is bad to the next guy. Ya'll know what works and what doesn't.

Replied on Mon, Nov 02, 2020 at 07:17 AM CST
Posted by a private FlatLoads.com member.	Posted by a private FlatLoads.com member. If the government suddenly mandated hourly pay, with mandatory overtime after 40 for drivers, and mandatory health care for anyone on the payroll, how many of these “High rollers”, would go out of business at 2.50 a mile?

Replied on Tue, Nov 03, 2020 at 09:28 AM CST + 1
Posted by a private FlatLoads.com member.	Posted by a private FlatLoads.com member. This is the problem $60k for a dump trailer 100k for a truck another 4k for a wetline and your willing to haul salt for dry van rates. You need to get $3.00 a mile. Dont forget waiting in line to load. May need Twic why would you move it for free ?

Replied on Wed, Nov 11, 2020 at 09:19 AM CST - 1
Posted by a private FlatLoads.com member.	Posted by a private FlatLoads.com member. Well, I sure must be living on a different planet. I try to work with the shippers I haul for, but other than some special loads, I very seldom get any loads in the $3 ball park. I just did 28.8i ton load, 8 miles to pick it up, 238 loaded $953. Then 70 mile bounce 25 ton load 319 for $699. So you do the math. That's 2.63 loaded/ empty. And there are many loads offered to me for way less than this. Salt is usually offered at $2.35/ mile rate. Feed ingredients down are cheep, salts worse and it's hard on your trailer. But lately, things are stupid slow, so I suppose the rates on road salt will continue to suffer.

Replied on Wed, Nov 11, 2020 at 09:19 AM CST

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Posted by a private FlatLoads.com member.

Well, I sure must be living on a different planet. I try to work with the shippers I haul for, but other than some special loads, I very seldom get any loads in the $3 ball park. I just did 28.8i ton load, 8 miles to pick it up, 238 loaded $953. Then 70 mile bounce 25 ton load 319 for $699. So you do the math. That's 2.63 loaded/ empty. And there are many loads offered to me for way less than this. Salt is usually offered at $2.35/ mile rate. Feed ingredients down are cheep, salts worse and it's hard on your trailer. But lately, things are stupid slow, so I suppose the rates on road salt will continue to suffer.

Replied on Thu, Nov 12, 2020 at 08:15 AM CST + 2
Posted by a private FlatLoads.com member.	Posted by a private FlatLoads.com member. When you go to buy tires, does your supplier tell you what their cost, or profit margin is? Virtually every other industry fights to protect their profit margins, including brokers, but for some reason truckers are eager to tell the world what their break even point is, and then are surprised when the customers use that number against them? Everything in this industry went sideways, when the drivers started making business decisions. The government is now bailing out the trucking industry, but at least in the case of YRC, they had to sign 1/3 of their company over to the government, possibly establishing a new standard for all future bailouts, no more privatized profits and socialized losses, he,he.

Replied on Thu, Nov 12, 2020 at 08:15 AM CST

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When you go to buy tires, does your supplier tell you what their cost, or profit margin is? Virtually every other industry fights to protect their profit margins, including brokers, but for some reason truckers are eager to tell the world what their break even point is, and then are surprised when the customers use that number against them? Everything in this industry went sideways, when the drivers started making business decisions. The government is now bailing out the trucking industry, but at least in the case of YRC, they had to sign 1/3 of their company over to the government, possibly establishing a new standard for all future bailouts, no more privatized profits and socialized losses, he,he.

Replied on Thu, Nov 12, 2020 at 12:25 PM CST + 1
Posted by a private FlatLoads.com member.	Posted by a private FlatLoads.com member. I love it when they put the financial details of their operation out there. I'm all ears. So to speak.

Replied on Thu, Nov 12, 2020 at 12:25 PM CST
Posted by a private FlatLoads.com member.	Posted by a private FlatLoads.com member. Ok so I have a run paying $7.63 per loaded mile (assuming a 100 CY end dump (no frameless), walking floor or belt). You can do 5 a day in sunny Fl from now until probably well after New Years. Sorry for the minor hijack of the thread

Replied on Thu, Nov 12, 2020 at 01:12 PM CST
Posted by a private FlatLoads.com member.	Posted by a private FlatLoads.com member. Quote: "Ok so I have a run paying $7.63 per loaded mile (assuming a 100 CY end dump (no frameless), walking floor or belt). You can do 5 a day in sunny Fl from now until probably well after New Years. Sorry for the minor hijack of the thread" Sorry I am not able to help you with that, I have a 64 yard frameless, so not what you requested for the job, but thank you anyway.

Replied on Thu, Nov 12, 2020 at 01:12 PM CST

Posted by a private FlatLoads.com member.

Quote: "Ok so I have a run paying $7.63 per loaded mile (assuming a 100 CY end dump (no frameless), walking floor or belt). You can do 5 a day in sunny Fl from now until probably well after New Years. Sorry for the minor hijack of the thread"

Sorry I am not able to help you with that, I have a 64 yard frameless, so not what you requested for the job, but thank you anyway.

Replied on Thu, Nov 12, 2020 at 01:16 PM CST
Posted by a private FlatLoads.com member.	Posted by a private FlatLoads.com member. Quote: "Ok so I have a run paying $7.63 per loaded mile (assuming a 100 CY end dump (no frameless), walking floor or belt). You can do 5 a day in sunny Fl from now until probably well after New Years. Sorry for the minor hijack of the thread" So the milage is 80 mile rt

Replied on Thu, Nov 12, 2020 at 02:49 PM CST
Posted by a private FlatLoads.com member.	Posted by a private FlatLoads.com member. 28 miles one way

Replied on Fri, Nov 13, 2020 at 07:20 AM CST + 2
Posted by a private FlatLoads.com member.	Posted by a private FlatLoads.com member. Getting back to where we left off, do you ever see a salesmen on a car lot knock the product they are trying to sell you? Do they tell you about all the design flaws, Or do they talk it up, and tell you how it’s the latest and greatest? Do you see the salesman try to sabotage the sale? Of course not, but how many times have we seen a discussion about rates on this forum, turn into a argument between drivers, where a trucker will do just that, sabotage the sale and Chance to get a decent rate, by telling the world their cost to operate? Do you see any other business tell the family secrets?

Replied on Fri, Nov 13, 2020 at 07:20 AM CST

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Posted by a private FlatLoads.com member.

Getting back to where we left off, do you ever see a salesmen on a car lot knock the product they are trying to sell you? Do they tell you about all the design flaws, Or do they talk it up, and tell you how it’s the latest and greatest? Do you see the salesman try to sabotage the sale? Of course not, but how many times have we seen a discussion about rates on this forum, turn into a argument between drivers, where a trucker will do just that, sabotage the sale and Chance to get a decent rate, by telling the world their cost to operate? Do you see any other business tell the family secrets?

Replied on Fri, Nov 13, 2020 at 07:23 AM CST + 1
Posted by a private FlatLoads.com member.	Posted by a private FlatLoads.com member. I should probably point out that my comments aren’t aimed at anyone on this particular thread, they are just observations I have made over a period of time, as I try to understand why stuff is the way it is.

Replied on Fri, Nov 13, 2020 at 11:43 AM CST
Posted by a private FlatLoads.com member.	Posted by a private FlatLoads.com member. Quote: "When you go to buy tires, does your supplier tell you what their cost, or profit margin is? Virtually every other industry fights to protect their profit margins, including brokers, but for some reason truckers are eager to tell the world what their break even point is, and then are surprised when the customers use that number against them? Everything in this industry went sideways, when the drivers started making business decisions. The government is now bailing out the trucking industry, but at least in the case of YRC, they had to sign 1/3 of their company over to the government, possibly establishing a new standard for all future bailouts, no more privatized profits and socialized losses, he,he." Yes I do know the cost of the tires I purchase. I have shopped from same supplier.. I see his cost, I pay X% profit and I purchase tires. Also do that with lubricants. Maybe that's different, but I get that privilege. I shop from those that provide outstanding service to my business, and I stick with them. I don't have to shop around, I already deal with the best.

Replied on Fri, Nov 13, 2020 at 11:43 AM CST

Posted by a private FlatLoads.com member.

Quote: "When you go to buy tires, does your supplier tell you what their cost, or profit margin is? Virtually every other industry fights to protect their profit margins, including brokers, but for some reason truckers are eager to tell the world what their break even point is, and then are surprised when the customers use that number against them? Everything in this industry went sideways, when the drivers started making business decisions. The government is now bailing out the trucking industry, but at least in the case of YRC, they had to sign 1/3 of their company over to the government, possibly establishing a new standard for all future bailouts, no more privatized profits and socialized losses, he,he."

Yes I do know the cost of the tires I purchase. I have shopped from same supplier.. I see his cost, I pay X% profit and I purchase tires. Also do that with lubricants. Maybe that's different, but I get that privilege. I shop from those that provide outstanding service to my business, and I stick with them. I don't have to shop around, I already deal with the best.

Replied on Sat, Nov 14, 2020 at 05:47 PM CST + 1
Posted by a private FlatLoads.com member.	Posted by a private FlatLoads.com member. you need to tell the broker your rate, don't ask for the rate??

Replied on Thu, Nov 26, 2020 at 05:27 PM CST
Posted by a private FlatLoads.com member.	Posted by a private FlatLoads.com member. Minimum $4.50 mile loaded figure out how many you can run per day, what do you need to make per day, if you need to make $900 per day, can do 3 per day, do the math these low rates need to stop

Replied on Sat, Nov 28, 2020 at 05:32 PM CST
Posted by a private FlatLoads.com member.	Posted by a private FlatLoads.com member. Quote: "Why do people think that good paying freight is equivalent to some mythical creature like a unicorn? Not to sound like a bragging butthead....but I think im officially the dumbest guy on this forum and I literally haven't hauled a load thats paid under 3 dollars per loaded mile in 6, maybe 9 months. 58000 pound payload in the hopper, 46000 pounds in the tanker. Now someone will criticize me and say I only short haul....27k miles last quarter, 26k the quarter before. 1 truck. Yep, a decent amount of empty miles, but thats my decision based on time allowed per trip. Again, not trying to brag, I was a C student in school, no fancy degree, average joe, I got lucky and got some good customers. ....stop putting good rates in the sasquatch and chupakobra mythology category. If a total moron like me can get in with good companies, then ANYBODY CAN. just my opinion. Have a good weekend" What's your average money per mile on all running miles as in loaded and empty?

Replied on Sat, Nov 28, 2020 at 05:32 PM CST

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What's your average money per mile on all running miles as in loaded and empty?

Replied on Sun, Dec 06, 2020 at 06:26 AM CST
Posted by a private FlatLoads.com member.	Posted by a private FlatLoads.com member. Once again I'll point out I have mulch and C&D runs paying from $7 to $11+ per mile based off of 100 Cubic Yard truck20 to 30 mile runs. They're running 7 days a week roughly 12 hours a day. It'll probably go well into Feburary but once they're full they're full.

Replied on Mon, Dec 07, 2020 at 12:31 PM CST
Posted by a private FlatLoads.com member.	Posted by a private FlatLoads.com member. Hard question, is this your headhaul? Are they loading you back? What's the distance? This rate might be acceptable if you have a fuel surcharge and demurrage on top of it and it's going to put you in a good lane, if not I'd park my trucks before taking that. However, I don't know what the lanes look like out there.

Replied on Tue, Dec 08, 2020 at 07:42 AM CST
Posted by a private FlatLoads.com member.	Posted by a private FlatLoads.com member. Quote: "Hard question, is this your headhaul? Are they loading you back? What's the distance? This rate might be acceptable if you have a fuel surcharge and demurrage on top of it and it's going to put you in a good lane, if not I'd park my trucks before taking that. However, I don't know what the lanes look like out there." Is that to me regarding the mulch haul?

Replied on Tue, Dec 08, 2020 at 07:42 AM CST

Posted by a private FlatLoads.com member.

Quote: "Hard question, is this your headhaul? Are they loading you back? What's the distance? This rate might be acceptable if you have a fuel surcharge and demurrage on top of it and it's going to put you in a good lane, if not I'd park my trucks before taking that. However, I don't know what the lanes look like out there."

Is that to me regarding the mulch haul?

Replied on Tue, Dec 29, 2020 at 03:38 PM CST
Posted by a private FlatLoads.com member.	Posted by a private FlatLoads.com member. I was just told today by a person who works at bulk loads that the average load is paying 2.50 - 3.00 loaded mile . As far as salt goes, it is s pricey item and should pay well. As s company driver I made 1800 s week . 1 load s day , 5 days. Hutchinson , ks to ok city area . Back to wichita every night . Don't know how many miles that is but good pay any way it goes .

Replied on Tue, Dec 29, 2020 at 03:38 PM CST

Posted by a private FlatLoads.com member.

I was just told today by a person who works at bulk loads that the average load is paying 2.50 - 3.00 loaded mile .

As far as salt goes, it is s pricey item and should pay well. As s company driver I made 1800 s week . 1 load s day , 5 days. Hutchinson , ks to ok city area . Back to wichita every night . Don't know how many miles that is but good pay any way it goes .

Replied on Tue, Dec 29, 2020 at 04:28 PM CST
Posted by a private FlatLoads.com member.	Posted by a private FlatLoads.com member. Quote: "Minimum $4.50 mile loaded figure out how many you can run per day, what do you need to make per day, if you need to make $900 per day, can do 3 per day, do the math these low rates need to stop " I'm thinking at least 1500 s day . Should be more like 1700. Lady company I worked for went out of business cuz of 4k s week . But then they had to pay me out of that .

Replied on Tue, Dec 29, 2020 at 04:28 PM CST

Posted by a private FlatLoads.com member.

Quote: "Minimum $4.50 mile loaded figure out how many you can run per day, what do you need to make per day, if you need to make $900 per day, can do 3 per day, do the math these low rates need to stop "

I'm thinking at least 1500 s day . Should be more like 1700.

Lady company I worked for went out of business cuz of 4k s week . But then they had to pay me out of that .

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