EXTREMELY cheap freight!

Jun 26, 2019 at 04:54 PM CST + 22 - 2
Posted by a private FlatLoads.com member.	Posted by a private FlatLoads.com member. So today I had a truck unloading in Emporia Ks and was going to move him toward the salt mine, so I looked for a load over that direction. I called a number on the load board with a load from Alta Vista Ks to Lyons ks. My jaw dropped when I was told the rate was .10/bu! With the bounce to get the load and loaded miles totalled 196 miles. The load was going to pay 92.80 max. At that rate the load would have paid .47/mile on all miles and .70/loaded mile. I guess my question is, who in their right minds would even consider hauling this load? It seems to me to be more economical to drive past this load and go on to another load?! So after hearing the rate I instantly got ticked off! Is that wrong of me? Why do I feel insulted? I just don't understand why anyone would haul this load, but the guy on the other end boasted that they get loads hauled from farther away for less. Is that something to boast about? Screwing over the truckers (Possibly mentally challenged if hauling these load) seems to be the new norm. When will truckers learn that you make more driving past cheap loads than hauling them? If everyone just said no to cheap freight, then the rates would evenutally have to go up! Rant over! Be safe out there!!

Jun 26, 2019 at 04:54 PM CST

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So today I had a truck unloading in Emporia Ks and was going to move him toward the salt mine, so I looked for a load over that direction. I called a number on the load board with a load from Alta Vista Ks to Lyons ks. My jaw dropped when I was told the rate was .10/bu! With the bounce to get the load and loaded miles totalled 196 miles. The load was going to pay 92.80 max. At that rate the load would have paid .47/mile on all miles and .70/loaded mile. I guess my question is, who in their right minds would even consider hauling this load? It seems to me to be more economical to drive past this load and go on to another load?!

So after hearing the rate I instantly got ticked off! Is that wrong of me? Why do I feel insulted? I just don't understand why anyone would haul this load, but the guy on the other end boasted that they get loads hauled from farther away for less. Is that something to boast about? Screwing over the truckers (Possibly mentally challenged if hauling these load) seems to be the new norm. When will truckers learn that you make more driving past cheap loads than hauling them? If everyone just said no to cheap freight, then the rates would evenutally have to go up!

Rant over! Be safe out there!!

Replied on Thu, Jun 27, 2019 at 06:31 AM CST
Posted by a private FlatLoads.com member.	Posted by a private FlatLoads.com member. Unfortunately this happens way too much. A lot of people dont understand how trucking works. A lot of these drivers think as long as the truck is loaded they are making money. With what's happening with farmers not getting crops planted hopefully this will drive more people away from pulling hoppers as freight demands drop. If not I can only see rates get worse.

Replied on Thu, Jun 27, 2019 at 06:31 AM CST

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Unfortunately this happens way too much. A lot of people dont understand how trucking works. A lot of these drivers think as long as the truck is loaded they are making money. With what's happening with farmers not getting crops planted hopefully this will drive more people away from pulling hoppers as freight demands drop. If not I can only see rates get worse.

Replied on Thu, Jun 27, 2019 at 02:25 PM CST + 1
Posted by a private FlatLoads.com member.	Posted by a private FlatLoads.com member. i think thats why there are 500,000 trucking companies and 4,000,000 DOT numbers. there must be a non stop supply of people hauling for cheap. They love the job untill they figure out in 9 months that they borrowed a pile of equity from the truck, and a pile of maintenance money is gone....then be surprised that they are broke or the bank shuts em down. That person goes broke and quits, then the next victim starts a trucking company and the brokers that dont have a conscience take advantage of the inexperienced. Titan machinery charges me 4 bucks a mile to drive a damn pickup to my farm for a service call, and yet there is trucking freight that only pays 1.90, or 1.25, or as you stated .70?? id be mad too.

Replied on Thu, Jun 27, 2019 at 02:25 PM CST

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i think thats why there are 500,000 trucking companies and 4,000,000 DOT numbers. there must be a non stop supply of people hauling for cheap. They love the job untill they figure out in 9 months that they borrowed a pile of equity from the truck, and a pile of maintenance money is gone....then be surprised that they are broke or the bank shuts em down. That person goes broke and quits, then the next victim starts a trucking company and the brokers that dont have a conscience take advantage of the inexperienced. Titan machinery charges me 4 bucks a mile to drive a damn pickup to my farm for a service call, and yet there is trucking freight that only pays 1.90, or 1.25, or as you stated .70?? id be mad too.

Replied on Thu, Jun 27, 2019 at 02:26 PM CST + 1
Posted by a private FlatLoads.com member.	Posted by a private FlatLoads.com member. I had a 3pl call me the other day offering me loads out of Portland Ore to Idaho at .40/cwt. ($8/ton) I couldn't say anything about that for a minute and then I asked him to repeat that rate. .40/cwt. I was so stunned by that I simply hung up the phone. Couldn't believe what I was hearing. Is this what hopper freight is coming to?

Replied on Thu, Jun 27, 2019 at 02:26 PM CST

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I had a 3pl call me the other day offering me loads out of Portland Ore to Idaho at .40/cwt. ($8/ton) I couldn't say anything about that for a minute and then I asked him to repeat that rate. .40/cwt. I was so stunned by that I simply hung up the phone. Couldn't believe what I was hearing. Is this what hopper freight is coming to?

Replied on Thu, Jun 27, 2019 at 09:38 PM CST
Posted by a private FlatLoads.com member.	Posted by a private FlatLoads.com member. Ed, I feel your pain and I can tell you for a fact they arent getting them done at them rates very often I have 2 really close friends that work for brokerages and they both say its not getting hauled for them rates only the very stupid do haul a load every now and then.

Replied on Thu, Jun 27, 2019 at 09:38 PM CST

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Ed, I feel your pain and I can tell you for a fact they arent getting them done at them rates very often I have 2 really close friends that work for brokerages and they both say its not getting hauled for them rates only the very stupid do haul a load every now and then.

Replied on Mon, Jul 01, 2019 at 07:01 AM CST - 1
Posted by a private FlatLoads.com member.	Posted by a private FlatLoads.com member. Yes you may get grumpy about .70 a loaded mile. Thats not a rate at all thats a shafting. Whoever's buying the salt is paying much more for that freight. Some broker company is making more money off that load than the truck is. The going rate for anything is around 2 bucks + or minus a little but not that much. Just move on and find work that pays.

Replied on Mon, Jul 01, 2019 at 07:01 AM CST

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Yes you may get grumpy about .70 a loaded mile. Thats not a rate at all thats a shafting. Whoever's buying the salt is paying much more for that freight. Some broker company is making more money off that load than the truck is. The going rate for anything is around 2 bucks + or minus a little but not that much. Just move on and find work that pays.

Replied on Mon, Jul 01, 2019 at 07:01 AM CST + 1
Posted by a private FlatLoads.com member.	Posted by a private FlatLoads.com member. That seems to be the problem, unfortunately there are too many brain dead owner ops that will take loads like this because they dont take a hard look at their bottom line. Sad that the trucking industry as a whole doesant realize if it united it has the power to set the rates across the board. We have the power but we've given it up in competition of one another. We are the masses being led by the few. Dam shame

Replied on Mon, Jul 01, 2019 at 07:01 AM CST

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That seems to be the problem, unfortunately there are too many brain dead owner ops that will take loads like this because they dont take a hard look at their bottom line. Sad that the trucking industry as a whole doesant realize if it united it has the power to set the rates across the board. We have the power but we've given it up in competition of one another. We are the masses being led by the few. Dam shame

Replied on Tue, Jul 02, 2019 at 07:21 AM CST
Posted by a private FlatLoads.com member.	Posted by a private FlatLoads.com member. Is there any other type of freight out there? How often do you see a rate high enough to bounce for? How many of you will be going out of business when hourly pay and overtime for drivers after 40 becomes the new standard?

Replied on Tue, Jul 02, 2019 at 07:21 AM CST

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Is there any other type of freight out there? How often do you see a rate high enough to bounce for? How many of you will be going out of business when hourly pay and overtime for drivers after 40 becomes the new standard?

Replied on Tue, Jul 02, 2019 at 08:02 AM CST
Posted by a private FlatLoads.com member.	Posted by a private FlatLoads.com member. It all comes down to supply and demand. The brokers have to outbid each other for the loads and they have to carve out a margin, sometimes big and some times little. Salt is a very low value commodity so the loads are generally not time sensitive. If they have to sit waiting for the guy that it suits because of the geography or because he doesnt know any better then that is how it works. If there was a time element involved you probably wouldnt see that type of rate. Years ago I managed a private fleet that would occasionally haul loads of Kaolin clay from SC to New England to position a truck for return dry van freight. It was ridiculously cheap but it covered fuel and tolls to get to high dollar LTL vendor freight that more than made up for it. In those cases the loads werent even posted, I would call a broker that I dealt with and he would get the customer to place the order. As much as I hate brokers and I've dealt with my share they are part of a massive logistical puzzle that includes all of us. Welcome to the free market!

Replied on Tue, Jul 02, 2019 at 08:02 AM CST

Posted by a private FlatLoads.com member.

It all comes down to supply and demand. The brokers have to outbid each other for the loads and they have to carve out a margin, sometimes big and some times little. Salt is a very low value commodity so the loads are generally not time sensitive. If they have to sit waiting for the guy that it suits because of the geography or because he doesnt know any better then that is how it works. If there was a time element involved you probably wouldnt see that type of rate. Years ago I managed a private fleet that would occasionally haul loads of Kaolin clay from SC to New England to position a truck for return dry van freight. It was ridiculously cheap but it covered fuel and tolls to get to high dollar LTL vendor freight that more than made up for it. In those cases the loads werent even posted, I would call a broker that I dealt with and he would get the customer to place the order. As much as I hate brokers and I've dealt with my share they are part of a massive logistical puzzle that includes all of us. Welcome to the free market!

Replied on Wed, Jul 03, 2019 at 08:01 AM CST + 1 - 1
Posted by a private FlatLoads.com member.	Posted by a private FlatLoads.com member. just say noo

Replied on Wed, Jul 03, 2019 at 08:01 AM CST

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just say noo

Replied on Fri, Jul 05, 2019 at 07:11 AM CST
Posted by a private FlatLoads.com member.	Posted by a private FlatLoads.com member. DIFFENTLY MORE BROKERS THAN THERE ARE TRUCKS...MOST FREIGHT COMES OUT AT 2.00 OR LESS PM, REGARDLESS OF COMMODITY. . MILO SAME AS DDG. VERY NOTICEABLE TO SEE CERTAIN BROKERS POSTING OTHER BROKERS LOADS FOR WAY LESS. I BELIEVE THE RATES ARE THERE ON MOST OF THE LOADS, BUT MOST BROKERS ARE TAKING A HUGE PERCENTAGE...THEN THE NEXT BROKER ETC...THEIR OFFICES ARE ADDING MORE DISPATCHERS....SURE WISH ALL DRIVERS COULD COME TOGETHER AND JUST STOP FOR A DAY AND LET THE BROKERS GET A DOSE OF REALITY....

Replied on Fri, Jul 05, 2019 at 07:11 AM CST

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DIFFENTLY MORE BROKERS THAN THERE ARE TRUCKS...MOST FREIGHT COMES OUT AT 2.00 OR LESS PM, REGARDLESS OF COMMODITY. . MILO SAME AS DDG. VERY NOTICEABLE TO SEE CERTAIN BROKERS POSTING OTHER BROKERS LOADS FOR WAY LESS. I BELIEVE THE RATES ARE THERE ON MOST OF THE LOADS, BUT MOST BROKERS ARE TAKING A HUGE PERCENTAGE...THEN THE NEXT BROKER ETC...THEIR OFFICES ARE ADDING MORE DISPATCHERS....SURE WISH ALL DRIVERS COULD COME TOGETHER AND JUST STOP FOR A DAY AND LET THE BROKERS GET A DOSE OF REALITY....

Replied on Fri, Jul 05, 2019 at 07:11 AM CST + 3
Posted by a private FlatLoads.com member.	Posted by a private FlatLoads.com member. Mr. Evans If i read correctly what you stated was a previous job. However. current or not, when you are hauling for tolls and fuel YOU are the problem. I'm not picking on you and hopefully am stating the obvious. Good luck to you Art Pfluger

Replied on Fri, Jul 05, 2019 at 07:11 AM CST

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Mr. Evans
If i read correctly what you stated was a previous job. However. current or not, when you are hauling for tolls and fuel YOU are the problem. I'm not picking on you and hopefully am stating the obvious.
Good luck to you

Art Pfluger

Replied on Fri, Jul 05, 2019 at 09:45 AM CST + 3
Posted by a private FlatLoads.com member.	Posted by a private FlatLoads.com member. A lot of drivers don't negotiate for higher rates, they just except what is offered. Then when you run across it they give you what everyone else has been taking or lower with the explanation of 'this is what everyone has been running it for. '

Replied on Fri, Jul 05, 2019 at 09:45 AM CST

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A lot of drivers don't negotiate for higher rates, they just except what is offered. Then when you run across it they give you what everyone else has been taking or lower with the explanation of 'this is what everyone has been running it for. '

Replied on Sun, Jul 07, 2019 at 06:38 AM CST + 1
Posted by a private FlatLoads.com member.	Posted by a private FlatLoads.com member. There are those that will say it’s the truckers fault, because he don’t know how to run a business or negotiate. Well many of the huge meggafleets that are publicity traded on Wall Street, have their books open showing their financials, and they often survive on razor thin profit margins between 2 and 4%, yet we never hear anyone say that those companies don’t know how to negotiate? Hymm, then how did they get to thousands of trucks if they don’t know what their doing?

Replied on Sun, Jul 07, 2019 at 06:38 AM CST

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There are those that will say it’s the truckers fault, because he don’t know how to run a business or negotiate. Well many of the huge meggafleets that are publicity traded on Wall Street, have their books open showing their financials, and they often survive on razor thin profit margins between 2 and 4%, yet we never hear anyone say that those companies don’t know how to negotiate? Hymm, then how did they get to thousands of trucks if they don’t know what their doing?

Replied on Fri, Jul 12, 2019 at 03:20 PM CST + 2
Posted by a private FlatLoads.com member.	Posted by a private FlatLoads.com member. I believe, brokers need to post the rates on the board and when the phone doesn't ring, they might have a Epiphany and raise the rates.

Replied on Fri, Jul 12, 2019 at 03:20 PM CST

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I believe, brokers need to post the rates on the board and when the phone doesn't ring, they might have a Epiphany and raise the rates.

Replied on Tue, Jul 16, 2019 at 07:55 AM CST + 1
Posted by a private FlatLoads.com member.	Posted by a private FlatLoads.com member. Well do something about it other than whine and cry. Start with the word NO I?m not hauling for that. If that don?t work ask the asshole is he didn?t accidentally put crack on his wheaties this morning rather than sugar. Anyways do something other than whine

Replied on Tue, Jul 16, 2019 at 07:55 AM CST

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Well do something about it other than whine and cry. Start with the word NO I?m not hauling for that. If that don?t work ask the asshole is he didn?t accidentally put crack on his wheaties this morning rather than sugar. Anyways do something other than whine

Replied on Tue, Jul 16, 2019 at 08:27 AM CST
Posted by a private FlatLoads.com member.	Posted by a private FlatLoads.com member. Quote: "Well do something about it other than whine and cry. Start with the word NO I?m not hauling for that. If that don?t work ask the asshole is he didn?t accidentally put crack on his wheaties this morning rather than sugar. Anyways do something other than whine" He would have all kinds of money left over for crack if he can guilt trip a sucker. Question did any of you guys ever go fishing ? I see a very close resemblance All you need is 1 fish to bite the hook and its game on

Replied on Tue, Jul 16, 2019 at 08:27 AM CST

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Quote: "Well do something about it other than whine and cry. Start with the word NO I?m not hauling for that. If that don?t work ask the asshole is he didn?t accidentally put crack on his wheaties this morning rather than sugar. Anyways do something other than whine"

He would have all kinds of money left over for crack if he can guilt trip a sucker. Question did any of you guys ever go fishing ? I see a very close resemblance All you need is 1 fish to bite the hook and its game on

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