Hobby trucker vs legitimate trucking company

so let me get this straight , a guy that owns 1 truck is not a legitimate business , he's just a "hobby" trucker ? what about the guy that owns 2 or 4 ...where is the breaking point between "hpbby" trucker and a "real: trucking company " please enlighten everyone on what is what and what it takes to be and or qualify as a "real": trucking company.......how many units does it take how many tractors and trailers do you have to have , is there a rule or regulation on what size shop you have to have , how many walls does it need , is there criteria for what type tools and equipment are inside of said shop...how about fueling , is the legitiamte trucking company allowed to buy fuel anywhere or does it have to be at t/a and loves only , does there need to be a certified approved fueling station in they said legitiamte trucking companies yard.... does said legitimate trucking companies yard have to be a certain soz or configuration , does there need to be a guard at the gates, armed ? or no ? what kind of foffice facilities, just a building or certain size shape , showers and lounge for drivers ..bunk rooms ? tell us dave please enlighten us on what it takes to be a "REAL" trucking company i'm anxiuosly waiting to find out so i will also know if werner , swift and all the others make the grade.....lmao

Jason you are not a hobby trucker, because you are out here to make money, and not just drive around putting fuel in the truck. It's not the size of your operation that matters, it's how smart you run it . Bidding specialized freight at 1.75 @ mile,(even if it's for every mile on the truck) and then bragging about it to everyone, well that's another story.

Hey Dave..... ummm when you think you might be able to answer this for me . anxiously waitng..thanlks...

i've got all of his info if you would like it....just like he has mine....

DOT# 1724474

MC781394 that is correct is'nt it...mr. Winters ? i mean your phone number and email matchec that...... whats even more funny though is all the big fleet talk and he only shows 1 power unit and one trailer.....lmao

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Neal if I offended you, I apologize. I should have been more clear, in my earlier definition. I am a single truck owner my self, and never claimed to be anything but. I don't know you, but I am going to go out on a limb here, and take a guess that you do have respect for those around you, and you would probably never use your low overhead advantage, to intentionally degrade the market. What set me off on this topic , is who has a advantage over others in the market, and how do they use it, and what is the potential effect on others, could it generate pressure for others, and perhaps pressure them to cheat on hos? And if so, do those folks bear any responsibility for all of this eld stuff, that we are being forced accept, if we choose to stay in the market.

Jmo I closed down my hobby trucking company June 16 2016. In November I was ready to go back to work so I decided to lease on to landstar. After jumping all the qualifications I finally got into class and loaded my first load December 23 2016. Let me tell you by the time I pay all the feesfor electronic logs different types of insurance they made me carry I have decided to never work for a big carrier again. I said from the start I would give it 6 months and see who made me the most profit. As leased on truck I was only getting 70% over the same 6 month period I kept 400% more loading myself over being leased. Sorry but the expense of being a hobby trucker is well worth the investment. They can keep the fancy office and employee I am going to stay a 1 man band and

So is that when you became a hobby truck too dave ? or you still stickin with that fleet stuff ?

Dave Winters should spend more time trucking than flapping his mouth on this forum.
Down graded the guys running for $1.75 per mile then admitted he had agreed to run for $1.50 per mile.
Go figure!

Just can't let it go huh dave ? well dave...how much do you know about the cost asociated with operating a truck in texas ? how much do you know about fuel prices , permitting , plates and ins. cost in texas dave ? I really need to know this because you seem to want to make the case that you are an authority on what it costs to operate a truck , pay bills and ,make a living ....... how much do you know about the cost of living where am , tell me dave please tell me what my cost per mile is since you want to harp on what i make per mile please inform me allllll about my operation and operating a truck in the area that I am in...... .nd then when you do that i will educate you ..... on what you do not know..... how bout dah

yeah i said that on that thread , but now you are over here running your head and bumping your gums..... like I said dave... you want to mouth off about me running for 1.75 per mile. and thats great but before you decied you want to keep harping on that , you need to do your research.... where I am it costs me roughly half of what it costs you to run..... but you are not bright enough to do your research are you ? lets look st fuel costs alone Clarence..... where I am according to the minnesota website i just looked at with up to the minute fuel pricing i'm paying on average 60 cents per gallon less than you are..... I would say that would make a sustantial difference in operating costs would you not ????? what about other things like insurance , tags , permits etc etc. Clarence is there a difference there ? have you done any research at all into what you want to try and bash other over..... and where are the numbers you are running for , you are damn quick to bash others for putting thiers out there but you seem to have troouble presenting yours ole buddy..... see thats the problem Clarence...you come swooping in like some trucking god wanting to tell me and others what we are doing wrong but yiu fail to show us what you are doing right...... classic

whats that got to do with operating costs clarence ? could we maybe stay on topic here ?? lets finish this one then we can move on tothe next one..... well unless you see that you just cannot come up with anything to counter so you move on to something else to try and divert attention..... thats a liberal tactic dave... no...no sir we are going to fininsh this topic and then ,aybe we can move to something else..... unless you are unable to counter with anything intelligent and if that is the case then i truly do guess we are done... so dave... please reply to my last post , what do you know about operating cots in my area as well as my personal operating costs...pleas try to keep up.

ahhhh... now you are gonna try the ignore tactic..... lmao..... well clarence...... can you please direct me to one of those carriers that pay thier drivers 1.75 per mile driver pay.... i will park mine and drive thiers..... tell us dave whoare they ???

What determines the market Dave?

guys... guys..... ease up on dave there.... he did'nt call you in to make sense , he called you in to try to help bash me and add to whatever vendetta he has against me...lol. .

lmao.....now that....is good comedy right there....lmao. Am I the only one or does anyone else notice that when Clarence is asked a question like james and the other gentleman did , he will not answer which i guess its obvious that he has no answer , but rather takes the nancy pelosi , chuck schumer route and does his best to shift focus , blame and rhetoric on others.... which.. that typical liberal tactic....find scapegoats and try to ppace blame on others for your personal failures...right dave ?...lolwell i have asked you some direct questions , others have asked you direct questions to which you have failed to address , i do remember though in the beginning posts of a nother thread you started ....lmao you . stated in a round about way that the government created elogs in order to push americans out of trucks so that as you put it "very angry middle easterners" ... lmao could take over the industry.. and then it went to other incoherent ramblings.... but anyways ...Clarence..... please if you would , address the 2 questions above from james and the other fellow..... and if you cannot with any type of reasonable and logical explanation or answer to what they have asked you then by all means take that liberal side road once again and try to shift focus to me...or the angry middle easterners or the failing fleetowners that you care so much for.... good day......

Maybe DAVE WINTERS should become a broker because he seems to be better at running his mouth than his truck....:)

I believe it is SUPPLY AND DEMAND in some fashion. And you should know the market you are playing in.

ok dave since you cannot figure things out on your own obviously , let me see if i can help you understand a little better. lets say where you live a burger fries and a drink are 20 bucks.......

bun 1.00
meat 2.00
mayo 1.00
lettuce .50 cents
tomato 50cents
onion 50 cents
fries 2.00
oil to cook the fries 1.00
electricity1.00
labor 5.00

you charge 20 bucks for that burger it cost you 14.50 to make it leaving you with 5 dollars 50 cents worth of profit

now dave...you drive 500 miles east......same burger same fries

bun75 cents
meat 1.50.
lettuce25 cents
tomato 25 cents
onion 25cents
fires 1.50
oil 75eletrictiy 50 cents
labor 6 dollars

i only charge 18 dollars for my burger and it only cost me 11.75 to make mine leaving me profit of 6 dollars and 25 cents

now using those example dave , keep in mind that in different parts of the country things cost different price... you want to try to bash me and run me down because i say i get 1.75 per mile.. well dave it does not take a genius to see by using the example above that by my operating costs , supplies fuel etc i can charge less and profit more and thats even with me paying my labor more..... so dave... if you cannot realize that and realize that everything every where costs the same as it does where you operate then theres just really no hope for you , and further more.... there also places where someone may need to get even more than you charge or say you do because things cost more where they are.... right now fuel alone in your area is average 1.60.... i paid 2.09 this morning where i am , my fuel cost alone will let me charge a little less than you and still profit way more than you at a higher rate..... but... nah,, no butts , if you cannot realize what iam saying then theres no hope but then thats evident by you not being able to intelligently respond to those other gentlemens questions alone

So im a hobby trucker because i work out of house? what i i told you i have 3 trucks and 2 O/Os? That i have a shop and am a trained diesel tech.? if i ran this an had a full time job, is it just a hobby? Its funny how we stay busy all the time and the megas calling me looking for trucks. Then when i tell them we busy they want to know what kinds of loads we run, sorry find your own work.