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Feb 27, 2018 at 10:34 PM CST + 4 - 8
Posted by a private FlatLoads.com member.	Posted by a private FlatLoads.com member. Well looks like trucking industry is getting screwed again elds permanent more toll roads fuel taxes going up yes I did vote for Trump but will not again unless something changes but I will always keep my conservative way of thinking

Replied on Wed, Feb 28, 2018 at 12:27 AM CST + 4 - 1
Posted by a private FlatLoads.com member.	Posted by a private FlatLoads.com member. First President Trump did not have anything to do with the ELDs.. they are not a regulation or mandate.. he cant do anything about them..It is a LAW that if to be changed has to go through the congress and senate.. the Trump can sign it out of law..second so you think thwt we ought to have the current ststus quo on the roads? We have to do something..fuel taxes are alot better than toll roads..and somebody has to pay for it...so you raise your rates to offset the increase..or have the fuel surcharge add it in..

Replied on Wed, Feb 28, 2018 at 12:27 AM CST

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First President Trump did not have anything to do with the ELDs.. they are not a regulation or mandate.. he cant do anything about them..It is a LAW that if to be changed has to go through the congress and senate.. the Trump can sign it out of law..second so you think thwt we ought to have the current ststus quo on the roads? We have to do something..fuel taxes are alot better than toll roads..and somebody has to pay for it...so you raise your rates to offset the increase..or have the fuel surcharge add it in..

Replied on Wed, Feb 28, 2018 at 07:39 AM CST + 1 - 2
Posted by a private FlatLoads.com member.	Posted by a private FlatLoads.com member. ELD'S aren't the problem. They only enforce the rules we use to be able to fudge. Recalculate your break even point using fewer miles per month to reflect the new reality and seek those that will pay it. Refuse anything less.

Replied on Wed, Feb 28, 2018 at 07:58 AM CST + 3 - 2
Posted by a private FlatLoads.com member.	Posted by a private FlatLoads.com member. You might want to think about not Voting for Trump. The economy is booming, the stock market rose 7,000 pts and we have some sort of law. The country is still a shit show but I cant imangine what it would be like if Hillary was president. We have 8 years of BS to over come and it won't happen quickly. The dumbocrats are fighting everthing Trump is trying to do. The problem is your worried about you and not the country! I agree ELD suck but I truely believe it will raise the rates in the long run. Stick to your guns and don't be afraid to say NO to the low rates.

Replied on Wed, Feb 28, 2018 at 07:58 AM CST

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You might want to think about not Voting for Trump. The economy is booming, the stock market rose 7,000 pts and we have some sort of law. The country is still a shit show but I cant imangine what it would be like if Hillary was president. We have 8 years of BS to over come and it won't happen quickly. The dumbocrats are fighting everthing Trump is trying to do. The problem is your worried about you and not the country! I agree ELD suck but I truely believe it will raise the rates in the long run. Stick to your guns and don't be afraid to say NO to the low rates.

Replied on Wed, Feb 28, 2018 at 08:33 AM CST + 2 - 1
Posted by a private FlatLoads.com member.	Posted by a private FlatLoads.com member. The 14 hour rule is far more detrimental than the ELD , crying about the ELD's is admitting that we lie! , I agree with the last post , raise your rates or don't haul it , at the end of the day , that's all you can do .

Replied on Wed, Feb 28, 2018 at 09:20 AM CST + 1 - 1
Posted by a private FlatLoads.com member.	Posted by a private FlatLoads.com member. Quote: "ELD'S aren't the problem. They only enforce the rules we use to be able to fudge. Recalculate your break even point using fewer miles per month to reflect the new reality and seek those that will pay it. Refuse anything less." tell that to all the drivrs that get screwed by the shipper and receiver, no compensation to wait and still have to keep the elog clock.....and get stuck 50 miles from home with no hours....elogs don't enforce rules, they just make drivers speed to keep to the log.....

Replied on Wed, Feb 28, 2018 at 09:20 AM CST

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Quote: "ELD'S aren't the problem. They only enforce the rules we use to be able to fudge. Recalculate your break even point using fewer miles per month to reflect the new reality and seek those that will pay it. Refuse anything less."

tell that to all the drivrs that get screwed by the shipper and receiver, no compensation to wait and still have to keep the elog clock.....and get stuck 50 miles from home with no hours....elogs don't enforce rules, they just make drivers speed to keep to the log.....

Replied on Wed, Feb 28, 2018 at 10:08 AM CST + 3
Posted by a private FlatLoads.com member.	Posted by a private FlatLoads.com member. The biggest problem is not trump, Hillary, HOS, or ELD's.... It is looking back at you in the mirror. Everyone wants change, but nobody wants to bleed for it. Well no pain no gain, simple as that... We live in a world governed by the use of force. All we would have to do is collectively shut the key off, and stuff would change, but most of you won't do it. Folks would rather cry about it, and play the role of victim rather than fight back, like their forefathers did... Instead folks foolishly keep hoping that the government will come and save them, and give them a free meal ticket by mandating detention pay for carriers.

Replied on Wed, Feb 28, 2018 at 10:08 AM CST

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The biggest problem is not trump, Hillary, HOS, or ELD's.... It is looking back at you in the mirror. Everyone wants change, but nobody wants to bleed for it. Well no pain no gain, simple as that... We live in a world governed by the use of force. All we would have to do is collectively shut the key off, and stuff would change, but most of you won't do it. Folks would rather cry about it, and play the role of victim rather than fight back, like their forefathers did... Instead folks foolishly keep hoping that the government will come and save them, and give them a free meal ticket by mandating detention pay for carriers.

Replied on Wed, Feb 28, 2018 at 10:31 AM CST + 2
Posted by a private FlatLoads.com member.	Posted by a private FlatLoads.com member. stop dealing with those shippers and receivers

Replied on Wed, Feb 28, 2018 at 12:37 PM CST + 1
Posted by a private FlatLoads.com member.	Posted by a private FlatLoads.com member. Quote: "tell that to all the drivrs that get screwed by the shipper and receiver, no compensation to wait and still have to keep the elog clock.....and get stuck 50 miles from home with no hours....elogs don't enforce rules, they just make drivers speed to keep to the log....." Just last weekend I had to take a 10 hour break 120 miles from home. Drivers that get screwed often enough will make a decision about their compensation and make an adjustment. This I have done several times in the last 37 years. There have been times when freight is plentiful and there is no waiting but there was also a period of time when I would unload on Sunday night in Hunts point or up in Boston and then work 4 days to find a load back. The whole fleet (VK Putman) carried habacchi grills and camped out until we finally got a load. That went on a year or so. Currently there are places I use to be more than willing to go but now refuse. I always tell them I'd be happy to go if it paid XXXX but because of the delays of traffic or loading and unloading times I cannot afford to go. Like I said in my original post....recalculate your break even point to reflect the current reality that you will not get as many miles as when you lied about how much time things took. By the way...If you speed with an Elog...expect a citation for speeding.

Replied on Wed, Feb 28, 2018 at 12:37 PM CST

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Quote: "tell that to all the drivrs that get screwed by the shipper and receiver, no compensation to wait and still have to keep the elog clock.....and get stuck 50 miles from home with no hours....elogs don't enforce rules, they just make drivers speed to keep to the log....."

Just last weekend I had to take a 10 hour break 120 miles from home. Drivers that get screwed often enough will make a decision about their compensation and make an adjustment. This I have done several times in the last 37 years. There have been times when freight is plentiful and there is no waiting but there was also a period of time when I would unload on Sunday night in Hunts point or up in Boston and then work 4 days to find a load back. The whole fleet (VK Putman) carried habacchi grills and camped out until we finally got a load. That went on a year or so.

Currently there are places I use to be more than willing to go but now refuse. I always tell them I'd be happy to go if it paid XXXX but because of the delays of traffic or loading and unloading times I cannot afford to go.

Like I said in my original post....recalculate your break even point to reflect the current reality that you will not get as many miles as when you lied about how much time things took.

By the way...If you speed with an Elog...expect a citation for speeding.

Replied on Wed, Feb 28, 2018 at 01:41 PM CST + 1
Posted by a private FlatLoads.com member.	Posted by a private FlatLoads.com member. Quote: "Just last weekend I had to take a 10 hour break 120 miles from home. Drivers that get screwed often enough will make a decision about their compensation and make an adjustment. This I have done several times in the last 37 years. There have been times when freight is plentiful and there is no waiting but there was also a period of time when I would unload on Sunday night in Hunts point or up in Boston and then work 4 days to find a load back. The whole fleet (VK Putman) carried habacchi grills and camped out until we finally got a load. That went on a year or so. Currently there are places I use to be more than willing to go but now refuse. I always tell them I'd be happy to go if it paid XXXX but because of the delays of traffic or loading and unloading times I cannot afford to go. Like I said in my original post....recalculate your break even point to reflect the current reality that you will not get as many miles as when you lied about how much time things took. By the way...If you speed with an Elog...expect a citation for speeding. " The only easy day was yesterday. From here on in, it's only going to get more difficult. FMCSA got the green light, to look into what we drivers are doing in our off duty time now. They are going to begin collecting Data from a small group to start with, so they can cherry pick the Data, and scew the results claiming there is some new crisis that is contributing Accidents, and get a budget approved to address it, along with another mandate...Then we will all be assigned a ankle monitor, that records your vitals, and GPS coordinates. Then all of the boys at FMCSA can create a job opening, for some policians family members. That should really help some of you to recruit new drivers, to replace that aging workforce. You'll really be on the road to prosperity then, just ask them and they will tell you how luck you are. Then you'll really be making the big bucks!

Replied on Wed, Feb 28, 2018 at 01:41 PM CST

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Quote: "Just last weekend I had to take a 10 hour break 120 miles from home. Drivers that get screwed often enough will make a decision about their compensation and make an adjustment. This I have done several times in the last 37 years. There have been times when freight is plentiful and there is no waiting but there was also a period of time when I would unload on Sunday night in Hunts point or up in Boston and then work 4 days to find a load back. The whole fleet (VK Putman) carried habacchi grills and camped out until we finally got a load. That went on a year or so. Currently there are places I use to be more than willing to go but now refuse. I always tell them I'd be happy to go if it paid XXXX but because of the delays of traffic or loading and unloading times I cannot afford to go. Like I said in my original post....recalculate your break even point to reflect the current reality that you will not get as many miles as when you lied about how much time things took. By the way...If you speed with an Elog...expect a citation for speeding. "

The only easy day was yesterday. From here on in, it's only going to get more difficult. FMCSA got the green light, to look into what we drivers are doing in our off duty time now. They are going to begin collecting Data from a small group to start with, so they can cherry pick the Data, and scew the results claiming there is some new crisis that is contributing Accidents, and get a budget approved to address it, along with another mandate...Then we will all be assigned a ankle monitor, that records your vitals, and GPS coordinates. Then all of the boys at FMCSA can create a job opening, for some policians family members. That should really help some of you to recruit new drivers, to replace that aging workforce. You'll really be on the road to prosperity then, just ask them and they will tell you how luck you are. Then you'll really be making the big bucks!

Replied on Wed, Feb 28, 2018 at 01:46 PM CST + 1
Posted by a private FlatLoads.com member.	Posted by a private FlatLoads.com member. Did I forget to mention that all of the meggafleets will get a exemption from that mandate too, you know to guarantee a level playing field ?

Replied on Wed, Feb 28, 2018 at 06:38 PM CST + 1 - 1
Posted by a private FlatLoads.com member.	Posted by a private FlatLoads.com member. Quote: "The only easy day was yesterday. From here on in, it's only going to get more difficult. FMCSA got the green light, to look into what we drivers are doing in our off duty time now. They are going to begin collecting Data from a small group to start with, so they can cherry pick the Data, and scew the results claiming there is some new crisis that is contributing Accidents, and get a budget approved to address it, along with another mandate...Then we will all be assigned a ankle monitor, that records your vitals, and GPS coordinates. Then all of the boys at FMCSA can create a job opening, for some policians family members. That should really help some of you to recruit new drivers, to replace that aging workforce. You'll really be on the road to prosperity then, just ask them and they will tell you how luck you are. Then you'll really be making the big bucks!" Thank Gawd I'm an old guy. I lived through the best years of trucking. The trucks went from being a ratting mess that could leave you in the cold any time powered by small cam 350 cumapparts with poor cab heating an cooling systems to comfortable, reliable machiines. All of the horrors you mention above probably will be derailed by large trucking companies working with truck manufactures and silicon valley. The push is on for autonimous trucks and or platooning. If I were under the age of 55 I would be thinking about an exit strategy from trucking. Drivers won't be needed in the numbers they are today. If I can replace a driver with an autonimous system for $100,000 or less one time cost, why hire a driver at 70,000 a year for the life of the truck? The truck stops will probably hire fuelers...at least until they automate that too. There might be opportunity for more roadside repairmen but they would have to be OK'd to work on the shippers trucks. There will be a few good years between now and then. enough to get me through.....But young men...don't be the last one to realize the limits that are coming to trucking. If you're the last one out all the other guys will already have the good jobs.

Replied on Wed, Feb 28, 2018 at 06:38 PM CST

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Posted by a private FlatLoads.com member.

Quote: "The only easy day was yesterday. From here on in, it's only going to get more difficult. FMCSA got the green light, to look into what we drivers are doing in our off duty time now. They are going to begin collecting Data from a small group to start with, so they can cherry pick the Data, and scew the results claiming there is some new crisis that is contributing Accidents, and get a budget approved to address it, along with another mandate...Then we will all be assigned a ankle monitor, that records your vitals, and GPS coordinates. Then all of the boys at FMCSA can create a job opening, for some policians family members. That should really help some of you to recruit new drivers, to replace that aging workforce. You'll really be on the road to prosperity then, just ask them and they will tell you how luck you are. Then you'll really be making the big bucks!"

Thank Gawd I'm an old guy. I lived through the best years of trucking. The trucks went from being a ratting mess that could leave you in the cold any time powered by small cam 350 cumapparts with poor cab heating an cooling systems to comfortable, reliable machiines.

All of the horrors you mention above probably will be derailed by large trucking companies working with truck manufactures and silicon valley. The push is on for autonimous trucks and or platooning. If I were under the age of 55 I would be thinking about an exit strategy from trucking. Drivers won't be needed in the numbers they are today. If I can replace a driver with an autonimous system for $100,000 or less one time cost, why hire a driver at 70,000 a year for the life of the truck? The truck stops will probably hire fuelers...at least until they automate that too. There might be opportunity for more roadside repairmen but they would have to be OK'd to work on the shippers trucks.

There will be a few good years between now and then. enough to get me through.....But young men...don't be the last one to realize the limits that are coming to trucking. If you're the last one out all the other guys will already have the good jobs.

Replied on Wed, Feb 28, 2018 at 08:55 PM CST + 1
Posted by a private FlatLoads.com member.	Posted by a private FlatLoads.com member. Quote: "Thank Gawd I'm an old guy. I lived through the best years of trucking. The trucks went from being a ratting mess that could leave you in the cold any time powered by small cam 350 cumapparts with poor cab heating an cooling systems to comfortable, reliable machiines. All of the horrors you mention above probably will be derailed by large trucking companies working with truck manufactures and silicon valley. The push is on for autonimous trucks and or platooning. If I were under the age of 55 I would be thinking about an exit strategy from trucking. Drivers won't be needed in the numbers they are today. If I can replace a driver with an autonimous system for $100,000 or less one time cost, why hire a driver at 70,000 a year for the life of the truck? The truck stops will probably hire fuelers...at least until they automate that too. There might be opportunity for more roadside repairmen but they would have to be OK'd to work on the shippers trucks. There will be a few good years between now and then. enough to get me through.....But young men...don't be the last one to realize the limits that are coming to trucking. If you're the last one out all the other guys will already have the good jobs." At least you got to see the best years of trucking. Many of today's drivers don't have a clue, how much fun you had doing it. Every time I hear the 'Old hippy' song by the Bellamy brothers, it makes me think how many of us truckers have outlived our usefulness. The retards in Washington no longer appreciate a skilled and knowledgeable driver, who can not only drive a truck, but also repair it if need be. They would rather have some idiot that don't ask questions behind the wheel. Give them a truck with a automatic transmission, collision avoidance radar, and antilock brakes, and they still manage to crash. They build a truck any idiot can drive, and then they wonder why only idiots drive trucks? So the next step is to replace the driver, with a robot. Will that robot know if the frame is cracked? Or if a u-bolt is broken on the axle?

Replied on Wed, Feb 28, 2018 at 08:55 PM CST

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Quote: "Thank Gawd I'm an old guy. I lived through the best years of trucking. The trucks went from being a ratting mess that could leave you in the cold any time powered by small cam 350 cumapparts with poor cab heating an cooling systems to comfortable, reliable machiines. All of the horrors you mention above probably will be derailed by large trucking companies working with truck manufactures and silicon valley. The push is on for autonimous trucks and or platooning. If I were under the age of 55 I would be thinking about an exit strategy from trucking. Drivers won't be needed in the numbers they are today. If I can replace a driver with an autonimous system for $100,000 or less one time cost, why hire a driver at 70,000 a year for the life of the truck? The truck stops will probably hire fuelers...at least until they automate that too. There might be opportunity for more roadside repairmen but they would have to be OK'd to work on the shippers trucks. There will be a few good years between now and then. enough to get me through.....But young men...don't be the last one to realize the limits that are coming to trucking. If you're the last one out all the other guys will already have the good jobs."

At least you got to see the best years of trucking. Many of today's drivers don't have a clue, how much fun you had doing it. Every time I hear the 'Old hippy' song by the Bellamy brothers, it makes me think how many of us truckers have outlived our usefulness. The retards in Washington no longer appreciate a skilled and knowledgeable driver, who can not only drive a truck, but also repair it if need be. They would rather have some idiot that don't ask questions behind the wheel. Give them a truck with a automatic transmission, collision avoidance radar, and antilock brakes, and they still manage to crash. They build a truck any idiot can drive, and then they wonder why only idiots drive trucks? So the next step is to replace the driver, with a robot. Will that robot know if the frame is cracked? Or if a u-bolt is broken on the axle?

Replied on Wed, Feb 28, 2018 at 09:11 PM CST
Posted by a private FlatLoads.com member.	Posted by a private FlatLoads.com member. Quote: "tell that to all the drivrs that get screwed by the shipper and receiver, no compensation to wait and still have to keep the elog clock.....and get stuck 50 miles from home with no hours....elogs don't enforce rules, they just make drivers speed to keep to the log....." Why aren't they getting compensation for demurrage?

Replied on Wed, Feb 28, 2018 at 10:13 PM CST + 1
Posted by a private FlatLoads.com member.	Posted by a private FlatLoads.com member. Legislators in at least four states have introduced proposals in recent weeks to stymie enforcement of the electronic logging device mandate, either by suspending funds for enforcement within their state’s borders or by asking the federal government to reconsider the mandate, enforcement for which began in December. The bills mostly cite concerns of small business truckers as the reasons to repeal the mandate or suspend its enforcement, as well as the potential for the mandate to drive up prices of goods for consumers. Legislators in South Dakota, Missouri, Tennessee and Idaho have introduced resolutions taking aim at the mandate. Lawmakers in South Dakota and Missouri have called for an outright repeal of the mandate. Both the South Dakota House and Senate passed earlier this month a resolution “encouraging Congress and [FMCSA] to overturn the rules regarding” ELDs. The state cites the cost of compliance, ELDs’ tracking requirements (which the state contends is “an invasion of privacy) and FMCSA’s self-certified device registry as reasons to repeal the mandate.

Replied on Wed, Feb 28, 2018 at 10:13 PM CST

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Legislators in at least four states have introduced proposals in recent weeks to stymie enforcement of the electronic logging device mandate, either by suspending funds for enforcement within their state’s borders or by asking the federal government to reconsider the mandate, enforcement for which began in December.

The bills mostly cite concerns of small business truckers as the reasons to repeal the mandate or suspend its enforcement, as well as the potential for the mandate to drive up prices of goods for consumers. Legislators in South Dakota, Missouri, Tennessee and Idaho have introduced resolutions taking aim at the mandate.

Lawmakers in South Dakota and Missouri have called for an outright repeal of the mandate. Both the South Dakota House and Senate passed earlier this month a resolution “encouraging Congress and [FMCSA] to overturn the rules regarding” ELDs. The state cites the cost of compliance, ELDs’ tracking requirements (which the state contends is “an invasion of privacy) and FMCSA’s self-certified device registry as reasons to repeal the mandate.

Replied on Thu, Mar 01, 2018 at 10:31 AM CST + 1
Posted by a private FlatLoads.com member.	Posted by a private FlatLoads.com member. Quote: " Legislators in at least four states have introduced proposals in recent weeks to stymie enforcement of the electronic logging device mandate, either by suspending funds for enforcement within their state’s borders or by asking the federal government to reconsider the mandate, enforcement for which began in December. The bills mostly cite concerns of small business truckers as the reasons to repeal the mandate or suspend its enforcement, as well as the potential for the mandate to drive up prices of goods for consumers. Legislators in South Dakota, Missouri, Tennessee and Idaho have introduced resolutions taking aim at the mandate. Lawmakers in South Dakota and Missouri have called for an outright repeal of the mandate. Both the South Dakota House and Senate passed earlier this month a resolution “encouraging Congress and [FMCSA] to overturn the rules regarding” ELDs. The state cites the cost of compliance, ELDs’ tracking requirements (which the state contends is “an invasion of privacy) and FMCSA’s self-certified device registry as reasons to repeal the mandate." It has a fair chance of being reversed, but it will not happen overnight. It's probably going to take a couple of years, given the speed of Washington. It's going to take a back seat if war breaks out with North Korea, and the way Trump has been cozying up to the democrats lately, combined with the troop movements, sends a signal that he is up to something. Truckers should be bidding freight rates as if this mandate is permanent, to insure that they make it through this.

Replied on Thu, Mar 01, 2018 at 10:31 AM CST

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Quote: " Legislators in at least four states have introduced proposals in recent weeks to stymie enforcement of the electronic logging device mandate, either by suspending funds for enforcement within their state’s borders or by asking the federal government to reconsider the mandate, enforcement for which began in December. The bills mostly cite concerns of small business truckers as the reasons to repeal the mandate or suspend its enforcement, as well as the potential for the mandate to drive up prices of goods for consumers. Legislators in South Dakota, Missouri, Tennessee and Idaho have introduced resolutions taking aim at the mandate. Lawmakers in South Dakota and Missouri have called for an outright repeal of the mandate. Both the South Dakota House and Senate passed earlier this month a resolution “encouraging Congress and [FMCSA] to overturn the rules regarding” ELDs. The state cites the cost of compliance, ELDs’ tracking requirements (which the state contends is “an invasion of privacy) and FMCSA’s self-certified device registry as reasons to repeal the mandate."

It has a fair chance of being reversed, but it will not happen overnight. It's probably going to take a couple of years, given the speed of Washington. It's going to take a back seat if war breaks out with North Korea, and the way Trump has been cozying up to the democrats lately, combined with the troop movements, sends a signal that he is up to something. Truckers should be bidding freight rates as if this mandate is permanent, to insure that they make it through this.

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