COST OF TRUCKING

Jul 29, 2018 at 07:17 PM CST + 4 - 4
Posted by a private FlatLoads.com member.	Posted by a private FlatLoads.com member. After 7 days of working on the road, I set aside my weekly cost for my truck payment, trailer payment, insurance, taxes, licence plates, basis equipment PM cost (not including major repair bills like tires, engine overhauls, transmissions, rearends, and etc.), fuel, washouts, paying to park 1/2 the time now days, tolls, and broker fees not including or to mention the cost of a stupid shitty hotdog these places charge you at any place you are allowed to park a truck at. Seems a little unfair that after these cost are tallied up at the end of the week the broker/dispatcher made more money off this one truck than the truck owner with all the risks and regulation you face and the hours involved. Time for a change. If the broker or dispatcher does not have a clue what the cost are to run quality equipment and work with quality drivers that always get the job done on time and is classy doing it, you 1st of all should not treat the driver like he is beneath you because you could not be more wrong. and maybe if you could learn what haveing a conscience is would be helpful. JUST HAD TO SPEAK MY MIND. Carry on all.

Replied on Sun, Jul 29, 2018 at 07:39 PM CST + 3 - 1
Posted by a private FlatLoads.com member.	Posted by a private FlatLoads.com member. Supply and demand. If people take loads at below fair value it will never change.

Replied on Mon, Jul 30, 2018 at 07:09 AM CST + 9
Posted by a private FlatLoads.com member.	Posted by a private FlatLoads.com member. I always love to read about how much the broker makes, do you personally know how much your broker makes? I can tell you why the bulk loads dont pay that good. The stuff we put in our trailers just isn't worth that much. I was sitting next to a guy in the truck stop the other night and he was making 5 times as much on a step deck load going almost the same place I was with my hopper and the main difference I could see was that the load he had on was probably worth 10 or more times what I had in the hopper, of course they can afford more to have it moved. At the end of the day everyone has to make something or they would have no reason to do there jobs. So If you think a broker makes so much more money than a truck driver, sell your equipment buy a nice computer and go sit home with your wife. Maybe the rates will come up for the rest of us. And hell since you won't want to make anything as a broker we'll all be able to get good loads through you right???

Replied on Mon, Jul 30, 2018 at 07:09 AM CST

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I always love to read about how much the broker makes, do you personally know how much your broker makes? I can tell you why the bulk loads dont pay that good. The stuff we put in our trailers just isn't worth that much. I was sitting next to a guy in the truck stop the other night and he was making 5 times as much on a step deck load going almost the same place I was with my hopper and the main difference I could see was that the load he had on was probably worth 10 or more times what I had in the hopper, of course they can afford more to have it moved. At the end of the day everyone has to make something or they would have no reason to do there jobs. So If you think a broker makes so much more money than a truck driver, sell your equipment buy a nice computer and go sit home with your wife. Maybe the rates will come up for the rest of us. And hell since you won't want to make anything as a broker we'll all be able to get good loads through you right???

Replied on Mon, Jul 30, 2018 at 07:50 AM CST + 2 - 3
Posted by a private FlatLoads.com member.	Posted by a private FlatLoads.com member. Quote: "I always love to read about how much the broker makes, do you personally know how much your broker makes? I can tell you why the bulk loads dont pay that good. The stuff we put in our trailers just isn't worth that much. I was sitting next to a guy in the truck stop the other night and he was making 5 times as much on a step deck load going almost the same place I was with my hopper and the main difference I could see was that the load he had on was probably worth 10 or more times what I had in the hopper, of course they can afford more to have it moved. At the end of the day everyone has to make something or they would have no reason to do there jobs. So If you think a broker makes so much more money than a truck driver, sell your equipment buy a nice computer and go sit home with your wife. Maybe the rates will come up for the rest of us. And hell since you won't want to make anything as a broker we'll all be able to get good loads through you right???" Yes I do know how much he made and it was 10% of the line haul. $5000 is $500 a week on just one truck. $500 + 12 trucks is $6000 thats good pay for a dap of ins, a few telaphone calls, a couple invoices, and a postage stamp. Thats why they 4 days a week, go to Mexico and Vegas a dozen times a year. I have a conscience that I have to live with so thats not my game, but this still does not give any dispatcher some right to treat people like crap. and the least a dispatched can do is have enough ambition to answer a phone when they dispatch a load and all the information is wrong and the truck cant get unloaded and cost them 3 days sitting over the weekend because they fail to tell you it was one one there vacation weekends and fail to tell you that there ass will be sitting in Mexico for the weekend and there phone is shut oiff.

Replied on Mon, Jul 30, 2018 at 07:50 AM CST

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Quote: "I always love to read about how much the broker makes, do you personally know how much your broker makes? I can tell you why the bulk loads dont pay that good. The stuff we put in our trailers just isn't worth that much. I was sitting next to a guy in the truck stop the other night and he was making 5 times as much on a step deck load going almost the same place I was with my hopper and the main difference I could see was that the load he had on was probably worth 10 or more times what I had in the hopper, of course they can afford more to have it moved. At the end of the day everyone has to make something or they would have no reason to do there jobs. So If you think a broker makes so much more money than a truck driver, sell your equipment buy a nice computer and go sit home with your wife. Maybe the rates will come up for the rest of us. And hell since you won't want to make anything as a broker we'll all be able to get good loads through you right???"

Yes I do know how much he made and it was 10% of the line haul. $5000 is $500 a week on just one truck. $500 + 12 trucks is $6000 thats good pay for a dap of ins, a few telaphone calls, a couple invoices, and a postage stamp. Thats why they 4 days a week, go to Mexico and Vegas a dozen times a year. I have a conscience that I have to live with so thats not my game, but this still does not give any dispatcher some right to treat people like crap. and the least a dispatched can do is have enough ambition to answer a phone when they dispatch a load and all the information is wrong and the truck cant get unloaded and cost them 3 days sitting over the weekend because they fail to tell you it was one one there vacation weekends and fail to tell you that there ass will be sitting in Mexico for the weekend and there phone is shut oiff.

Replied on Mon, Jul 30, 2018 at 08:04 AM CST + 2 - 3
Posted by a private FlatLoads.com member.	Posted by a private FlatLoads.com member. You blew that out of the water, you definitely can't be a broker with a conscience we know that won't work

Replied on Mon, Jul 30, 2018 at 11:21 AM CST - 4
Posted by a private FlatLoads.com member.	Posted by a private FlatLoads.com member. So why don't you tell them you want a copy of the freight bill? According to the law..it is your right..and the broker HAS to send you a copy of the bill that they send the shipper..and let's not forget about the percentage of the fuel surcharge that you don't get..is that ever brought up with the rate that you are quoted?

Replied on Mon, Jul 30, 2018 at 06:09 PM CST - 2
Posted by a private FlatLoads.com member.	Posted by a private FlatLoads.com member. Quote: "I always love to read about how much the broker makes, do you personally know how much your broker makes? I can tell you why the bulk loads dont pay that good. The stuff we put in our trailers just isn't worth that much. I was sitting next to a guy in the truck stop the other night and he was making 5 times as much on a step deck load going almost the same place I was with my hopper and the main difference I could see was that the load he had on was probably worth 10 or more times what I had in the hopper, of course they can afford more to have it moved. At the end of the day everyone has to make something or they would have no reason to do there jobs. So If you think a broker makes so much more money than a truck driver, sell your equipment buy a nice computer and go sit home with your wife. Maybe the rates will come up for the rest of us. And hell since you won't want to make anything as a broker we'll all be able to get good loads through you right???" Now you just have to convince your drivers that they should work for less, using that same logic. Good luck with that. The guy holding that steering wheel could care less what the load behind him is, he only cares about what his paycheck says.

Replied on Mon, Jul 30, 2018 at 06:09 PM CST

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Now you just have to convince your drivers that they should work for less, using that same logic. Good luck with that. The guy holding that steering wheel could care less what the load behind him is, he only cares about what his paycheck says.

Replied on Mon, Jul 30, 2018 at 10:18 PM CST + 1
Posted by a private FlatLoads.com member.	Posted by a private FlatLoads.com member. The cost do move a load from point A to point B with same type of trailer shouldn't change based on the value of the load in the wagon. It doesn't matter if the load has a value of $100.00 or $100000.00 it cost the same amount of money to cart it the same distance. I understand that with a load less value has less margin in it but it doesn't change the fact that it still is going to cost the truck the same amount of money to move it compared to a load that has a greater value. Until the shipper/broker can understand that and price according it won't change. I'm sorry but my personal opinion is that I don't care what is in the wagon or it's value it still cost the same to move it. It's not my problem if said shipper/broker wants to move it cheap because there is less margin in a low value load. If it don't make you a profit then why are you loading it. If enough people would pass on this low priced stuff the price would come up. There are times that if a person would figure their time invested in a cheap load they would be money ahead to skip it. Add in a few extra miles coupled with load and unload times and that .25 a bushel on 80 miles doesn't look so hot. Especially when you sit in line to unload for 2 or 3 hours. Prime example of this is our river terminal. I have watched them throw out cheap rates and say that they will see who bites and if they don't get it moved they will bump the price up until it moves or pay up when they are about out of time. Same group will price Enid OK to Inola OK at .20 cents a bushel then start bringing it up a little at a time. They will get it up to .50 when they need it moved. Why not price it fair to begin with instead of playing games? The cheaper they get it moved the more money in their pocket because I'd be willing to bet that they aren't passing the savings back to the seller.

Replied on Mon, Jul 30, 2018 at 10:18 PM CST

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The cost do move a load from point A to point B with same type of trailer shouldn't change based on the value of the load in the wagon. It doesn't matter if the load has a value of $100.00 or $100000.00 it cost the same amount of money to cart it the same distance. I understand that with a load less value has less margin in it but it doesn't change the fact that it still is going to cost the truck the same amount of money to move it compared to a load that has a greater value. Until the shipper/broker can understand that and price according it won't change. I'm sorry but my personal opinion is that I don't care what is in the wagon or it's value it still cost the same to move it. It's not my problem if said shipper/broker wants to move it cheap because there is less margin in a low value load. If it don't make you a profit then why are you loading it. If enough people would pass on this low priced stuff the price would come up. There are times that if a person would figure their time invested in a cheap load they would be money ahead to skip it. Add in a few extra miles coupled with load and unload times and that .25 a bushel on 80 miles doesn't look so hot. Especially when you sit in line to unload for 2 or 3 hours. Prime example of this is our river terminal. I have watched them throw out cheap rates and say that they will see who bites and if they don't get it moved they will bump the price up until it moves or pay up when they are about out of time. Same group will price Enid OK to Inola OK at .20 cents a bushel then start bringing it up a little at a time. They will get it up to .50 when they need it moved. Why not price it fair to begin with instead of playing games? The cheaper they get it moved the more money in their pocket because I'd be willing to bet that they aren't passing the savings back to the seller.

Replied on Tue, Jul 31, 2018 at 07:12 AM CST + 4 - 1
Posted by a private FlatLoads.com member.	Posted by a private FlatLoads.com member. I wish a farmer could go to the Chicago board of trade and say "supply and demand doesn't matter" it cost me 470 dollars an acre so the price of corn should be 3.70 because that's what it costs me to put the crop in.........they would laugh untill they puked their guts out..... kinda like your statement about pulling an ag commodity in a hopper. Yes I get it, your cost per mile is x, so regardless of the loadvalue you SHOULD get your set price . As a farmer I get paid what the board of trade tells me I should get paid. My input cost is totally irrelevant. If a celebrity whispers mad cow disease I lose thousands. If you are pulling a hopper, you are in the Ag world so you are subject to our economy and our economy is not for the faint of heart. Keep in mind 1000 bushel of corn in your hopper is only 5 acres or so. Your dealing with 300 dollars profit margin in that hopper at that time. Same basic situation for wheat, beans, rice, potatoes, peas ect. For those that disagree, that's fine, I respect that. But try pulling a load of seed corn, or beans once, I bet they pay 4 bucks a mile. 50 pounds of seed corn is worth 120 bucks. 50 pounds seed beans 50 bucks. Or run an end dump in sugar beet country, theres profit in that part of Ag so I bet rates there are better. If you are pulling fertilizer or feed, and you get an extra 10 dollars per ton, that cost is being passed on to a customer that can NOT pay for it. Physically unable to write a good check for it. people in ag have been borrowing money for groceries for. 4 years.

Replied on Tue, Jul 31, 2018 at 07:12 AM CST

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I wish a farmer could go to the Chicago board of trade and say "supply and demand doesn't matter" it cost me 470 dollars an acre so the price of corn should be 3.70 because that's what it costs me to put the crop in.........they would laugh untill they puked their guts out..... kinda like your statement about pulling an ag commodity in a hopper. Yes I get it, your cost per mile is x, so regardless of the loadvalue you SHOULD get your set price . As a farmer I get paid what the board of trade tells me I should get paid. My input cost is totally irrelevant. If a celebrity whispers mad cow disease I lose thousands. If you are pulling a hopper, you are in the Ag world so you are subject to our economy and our economy is not for the faint of heart.

Keep in mind 1000 bushel of corn in your hopper is only 5 acres or so. Your dealing with 300 dollars profit margin in that hopper at that time. Same basic situation for wheat, beans, rice, potatoes, peas ect. For those that disagree, that's fine, I respect that. But try pulling a load of seed corn, or beans once, I bet they pay 4 bucks a mile. 50 pounds of seed corn is worth 120 bucks. 50 pounds seed beans 50 bucks. Or run an end dump in sugar beet country, theres profit in that part of Ag so I bet rates there are better. If you are pulling fertilizer or feed, and you get an extra 10 dollars per ton, that cost is being passed on to a customer that can NOT pay for it. Physically unable to write a good check for it. people in ag have been borrowing money for groceries for. 4 years.

Replied on Tue, Jul 31, 2018 at 09:53 AM CST + 1
Posted by a private FlatLoads.com member.	Posted by a private FlatLoads.com member. I have been interested in that part about the billing issue you talked about. Can you give me where in the federal code this is. Just curious. This could come in very handy for a situation I am in.

Replied on Tue, Jul 31, 2018 at 11:55 AM CST
Posted by a private FlatLoads.com member.	Posted by a private FlatLoads.com member. Quote: "The cost do move a load from point A to point B with same type of trailer shouldn't change based on the value of the load in the wagon. It doesn't matter if the load has a value of $100.00 or $100000.00 it cost the same amount of money to cart it the same distance. I understand that with a load less value has less margin in it but it doesn't change the fact that it still is going to cost the truck the same amount of money to move it compared to a load that has a greater value. Until the shipper/broker can understand that and price according it won't change. I'm sorry but my personal opinion is that I don't care what is in the wagon or it's value it still cost the same to move it. It's not my problem if said shipper/broker wants to move it cheap because there is less margin in a low value load. If it don't make you a profit then why are you loading it. If enough people would pass on this low priced stuff the price would come up. There are times that if a person would figure their time invested in a cheap load they would be money ahead to skip it. Add in a few extra miles coupled with load and unload times and that .25 a bushel on 80 miles doesn't look so hot. Especially when you sit in line to unload for 2 or 3 hours. Prime example of this is our river terminal. I have watched them throw out cheap rates and say that they will see who bites and if they don't get it moved they will bump the price up until it moves or pay up when they are about out of time. Same group will price Enid OK to Inola OK at .20 cents a bushel then start bringing it up a little at a time. They will get it up to .50 when they need it moved. Why not price it fair to begin with instead of playing games? The cheaper they get it moved the more money in their pocket because I'd be willing to bet that they aren't passing the savings back to the seller." I agree 25b for 80miles we need to start letting them loads sit , and i know the next guy will come along and haul it. But after awhile that next guy wont have anything left for a truck because he cant afford to fix the damn thing let a alone maintain it. And if you continue to sit when your offered insulting prices , eventually they're going to call you with the right price cause they're out of trucks , we need to get the rates up to at least $ 1.85 a running mile. We need a revolution in the trucking industry

Replied on Tue, Jul 31, 2018 at 11:55 AM CST

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Quote: "The cost do move a load from point A to point B with same type of trailer shouldn't change based on the value of the load in the wagon. It doesn't matter if the load has a value of $100.00 or $100000.00 it cost the same amount of money to cart it the same distance. I understand that with a load less value has less margin in it but it doesn't change the fact that it still is going to cost the truck the same amount of money to move it compared to a load that has a greater value. Until the shipper/broker can understand that and price according it won't change. I'm sorry but my personal opinion is that I don't care what is in the wagon or it's value it still cost the same to move it. It's not my problem if said shipper/broker wants to move it cheap because there is less margin in a low value load. If it don't make you a profit then why are you loading it. If enough people would pass on this low priced stuff the price would come up. There are times that if a person would figure their time invested in a cheap load they would be money ahead to skip it. Add in a few extra miles coupled with load and unload times and that .25 a bushel on 80 miles doesn't look so hot. Especially when you sit in line to unload for 2 or 3 hours. Prime example of this is our river terminal. I have watched them throw out cheap rates and say that they will see who bites and if they don't get it moved they will bump the price up until it moves or pay up when they are about out of time. Same group will price Enid OK to Inola OK at .20 cents a bushel then start bringing it up a little at a time. They will get it up to .50 when they need it moved. Why not price it fair to begin with instead of playing games? The cheaper they get it moved the more money in their pocket because I'd be willing to bet that they aren't passing the savings back to the seller."

I agree 25b for 80miles we need to start letting them loads sit , and i know the next guy will come along and haul it. But after awhile that next guy wont have anything left for a truck because he cant afford to fix the damn thing let a alone maintain it. And if you continue to sit when your offered insulting prices , eventually they're going to call you with the right price cause they're out of trucks , we need to get the rates up to at least $ 1.85 a running mile. We need a revolution in the trucking industry

Replied on Wed, Aug 01, 2018 at 08:24 AM CST
Posted by a private FlatLoads.com member.	Posted by a private FlatLoads.com member. Simple stop working cheap your only to blame , have a safe day . Peace

Replied on Wed, Aug 01, 2018 at 01:08 PM CST
Posted by a private FlatLoads.com member.	Posted by a private FlatLoads.com member. Simple stop working cheap your only to blame , have a safe day . Peace

Replied on Thu, Aug 02, 2018 at 02:44 PM CST
Posted by a private FlatLoads.com member.	Posted by a private FlatLoads.com member. Duane I'm almost positive that law does exist. I would call OOIDA I'll bet they can give you ehaw you need. Art Pfluger

Replied on Thu, Aug 02, 2018 at 02:49 PM CST + 1
Posted by a private FlatLoads.com member.	Posted by a private FlatLoads.com member. Quote: "Duane I'm almost positive that law does exist. I would call OOIDA I'll bet they can give you ehaw you need. Art Pfluger" It is worth a try to do that. I was hoping Jeff could pop it right off the top of his head. He has a wealth of knowlege and experience and it would save me a bunch of time. Thanks for the advice.

Replied on Thu, Aug 02, 2018 at 03:02 PM CST
Posted by a private FlatLoads.com member.	Posted by a private FlatLoads.com member. Quote: "So why don't you tell them you want a copy of the freight bill? According to the law..it is your right..and the broker HAS to send you a copy of the bill that they send the shipper..and let's not forget about the percentage of the fuel surcharge that you don't get..is that ever brought up with the rate that you are quoted? " (g) Copies of freight bill or other form of freight documentation— When a lessor’s revenue is based on a percentage of the gross revenue for a shipment, the lease must specify that the authorized carrier will give the lessor, before or at the time of settlement, a copy of the rated freight bill or a computer-generated document containing the same information, or, in the case of contract carriers, any other form of documentation actually used for a shipment containing the same information that would appear on a rated freight bill. When a computer-generated document is provided, the lease will permit lessor to view, during normal business hours, a copy of any actual document underlying the computer-generated document. Regardless of the method of compensation, the lease must permit lessor to examine copies of the carrier’s tariff or, in the case of contract carriers, other documents from which rates and charges are computed, provided that where rates and charges are computed from a contract of a contract carrier, only those portions of the contract containing the same information that would appear on a rated freight bill need be disclosed. The authorized carrier may delete the names of shippers and consignees shown on the freight bill or other form of documentation.

Replied on Thu, Aug 02, 2018 at 03:02 PM CST

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Quote: "So why don't you tell them you want a copy of the freight bill? According to the law..it is your right..and the broker HAS to send you a copy of the bill that they send the shipper..and let's not forget about the percentage of the fuel surcharge that you don't get..is that ever brought up with the rate that you are quoted? "

(g) Copies of freight bill or other form of freight documentation— When a lessor’s revenue is based on a percentage of the gross revenue for a shipment, the lease must specify that the authorized carrier will give the lessor, before or at the time of settlement, a copy of the rated freight bill or a computer-generated document containing the same information, or, in the case of contract carriers, any other form of documentation actually used for a shipment containing the same information that would appear on a rated freight bill. When a computer-generated document is provided, the lease will permit lessor to view, during normal business hours, a copy of any actual document underlying the computer-generated document. Regardless of the method of compensation, the lease must permit lessor to examine copies of the carrier’s tariff or, in the case of contract carriers, other documents from which rates and charges are computed, provided that where rates and charges are computed from a contract of a contract carrier, only those portions of the contract containing the same information that would appear on a rated freight bill need be disclosed. The authorized carrier may delete the names of shippers and consignees shown on the freight bill or other form of documentation.

Replied on Thu, Aug 02, 2018 at 03:05 PM CST
Posted by a private FlatLoads.com member.	Posted by a private FlatLoads.com member. Quote: " (g) Copies of freight bill or other form of freight documentation— When a lessor’s revenue is based on a percentage of the gross revenue for a shipment, the lease must specify that the authorized carrier will give the lessor, before or at the time of settlement, a copy of the rated freight bill or a computer-generated document containing the same information, or, in the case of contract carriers, any other form of documentation actually used for a shipment containing the same information that would appear on a rated freight bill. When a computer-generated document is provided, the lease will permit lessor to view, during normal business hours, a copy of any actual document underlying the computer-generated document. Regardless of the method of compensation, the lease must permit lessor to examine copies of the carrier’s tariff or, in the case of contract carriers, other documents from which rates and charges are computed, provided that where rates and charges are computed from a contract of a contract carrier, only those portions of the contract containing the same information that would appear on a rated freight bill need be disclosed. The authorized carrier may delete the names of shippers and consignees shown on the freight bill or other form of documentation. " a quick phone call like Art suggested and here we go.....376.12 paragraph g dealing with lease operators and contract carriers. How ever they could not tell me if this applied to carriers or independant contractors in a brokerage situation. Is this what you referring to Jeff.

Replied on Thu, Aug 02, 2018 at 03:05 PM CST

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Quote: " (g) Copies of freight bill or other form of freight documentation— When a lessor’s revenue is based on a percentage of the gross revenue for a shipment, the lease must specify that the authorized carrier will give the lessor, before or at the time of settlement, a copy of the rated freight bill or a computer-generated document containing the same information, or, in the case of contract carriers, any other form of documentation actually used for a shipment containing the same information that would appear on a rated freight bill. When a computer-generated document is provided, the lease will permit lessor to view, during normal business hours, a copy of any actual document underlying the computer-generated document. Regardless of the method of compensation, the lease must permit lessor to examine copies of the carrier’s tariff or, in the case of contract carriers, other documents from which rates and charges are computed, provided that where rates and charges are computed from a contract of a contract carrier, only those portions of the contract containing the same information that would appear on a rated freight bill need be disclosed. The authorized carrier may delete the names of shippers and consignees shown on the freight bill or other form of documentation. "

a quick phone call like Art suggested and here we go.....376.12 paragraph g dealing with lease operators and contract carriers. How ever they could not tell me if this applied to carriers or independant contractors in a brokerage situation. Is this what you referring to Jeff.

Replied on Thu, Aug 02, 2018 at 03:05 PM CST
Posted by a private FlatLoads.com member.	Posted by a private FlatLoads.com member. Quote: "It is worth a try to do that. I was hoping Jeff could pop it right off the top of his head. He has a wealth of knowlege and experience and it would save me a bunch of time. Thanks for the advice." Sorry I couldn't quote the exact law on that..maybe try contacting your local Fed DOT office...not the state.. they work on roads.. tried that once over a log book thing..asked me how much asphalt was needed..( just kidding)...best of luck ...jeff

Replied on Thu, Aug 02, 2018 at 03:05 PM CST

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Quote: "It is worth a try to do that. I was hoping Jeff could pop it right off the top of his head. He has a wealth of knowlege and experience and it would save me a bunch of time. Thanks for the advice."

Sorry I couldn't quote the exact law on that..maybe try contacting your local Fed DOT office...not the state.. they work on roads.. tried that once over a log book thing..asked me how much asphalt was needed..( just kidding)...best of luck ...jeff

Replied on Thu, Aug 02, 2018 at 03:10 PM CST
Posted by a private FlatLoads.com member.	Posted by a private FlatLoads.com member. Quote: "Sorry I couldn't quote the exact law on that..maybe try contacting your local Fed DOT office...not the state.. they work on roads.. tried that once over a log book thing..asked me how much asphalt was needed..( just kidding)...best of luck ...jeff" Yup that is the next step. Pretty much what the attorney general's office advised as well.

Replied on Thu, Aug 02, 2018 at 09:54 PM CST
Posted by a private FlatLoads.com member.	Posted by a private FlatLoads.com member. Duane.Two weeks ago a shipper in the vicinity of Phoenix was shipping flatbed loads. I know the shipper. They told us the gross rate was $2700. 2 different brokers posted the 4 loads. One broker posted at $2400 the other at $2000. I know better than to lump all brokers in one pot but this is why I don't like brokers. Art Pfluger

Replied on Fri, Aug 03, 2018 at 04:20 PM CST + 2
Posted by a private FlatLoads.com member.	Posted by a private FlatLoads.com member. but 4 years ago,when ag prices were at there peak.......rates still were poor. Too many hoppers= Low rates.

Replied on Sat, Aug 04, 2018 at 07:04 AM CST + 1
Posted by a private FlatLoads.com member.	Posted by a private FlatLoads.com member. Quote: " (g) Copies of freight bill or other form of freight documentation— When a lessor’s revenue is based on a percentage of the gross revenue for a shipment, the lease must specify that the authorized carrier will give the lessor, before or at the time of settlement, a copy of the rated freight bill or a computer-generated document containing the same information, or, in the case of contract carriers, any other form of documentation actually used for a shipment containing the same information that would appear on a rated freight bill. When a computer-generated document is provided, the lease will permit lessor to view, during normal business hours, a copy of any actual document underlying the computer-generated document. Regardless of the method of compensation, the lease must permit lessor to examine copies of the carrier’s tariff or, in the case of contract carriers, other documents from which rates and charges are computed, provided that where rates and charges are computed from a contract of a contract carrier, only those portions of the contract containing the same information that would appear on a rated freight bill need be disclosed. The authorized carrier may delete the names of shippers and consignees shown on the freight bill or other form of documentation. " You can read this anyway you want, but the way I read that its saying that because I pay my lease driver percentage I have an obligation to show him my invoices, the problem is that would only apply if the broker was actually an asset based carrier and you leased your trucks to him at a percentage of the load

Replied on Sat, Aug 04, 2018 at 07:04 AM CST

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You can read this anyway you want, but the way I read that its saying that because I pay my lease driver percentage I have an obligation to show him my invoices, the problem is that would only apply if the broker was actually an asset based carrier and you leased your trucks to him at a percentage of the load

Replied on Sat, Aug 04, 2018 at 07:35 AM CST
Posted by a private FlatLoads.com member.	Posted by a private FlatLoads.com member. Quote: "The cost do move a load from point A to point B with same type of trailer shouldn't change based on the value of the load in the wagon. It doesn't matter if the load has a value of $100.00 or $100000.00 it cost the same amount of money to cart it the same distance. I understand that with a load less value has less margin in it but it doesn't change the fact that it still is going to cost the truck the same amount of money to move it compared to a load that has a greater value. Until the shipper/broker can understand that and price according it won't change. I'm sorry but my personal opinion is that I don't care what is in the wagon or it's value it still cost the same to move it. It's not my problem if said shipper/broker wants to move it cheap because there is less margin in a low value load. If it don't make you a profit then why are you loading it. If enough people would pass on this low priced stuff the price would come up. There are times that if a person would figure their time invested in a cheap load they would be money ahead to skip it. Add in a few extra miles coupled with load and unload times and that .25 a bushel on 80 miles doesn't look so hot. Especially when you sit in line to unload for 2 or 3 hours. Prime example of this is our river terminal. I have watched them throw out cheap rates and say that they will see who bites and if they don't get it moved they will bump the price up until it moves or pay up when they are about out of time. Same group will price Enid OK to Inola OK at .20 cents a bushel then start bringing it up a little at a time. They will get it up to .50 when they need it moved. Why not price it fair to begin with instead of playing games? The cheaper they get it moved the more money in their pocket because I'd be willing to bet that they aren't passing the savings back to the seller." I’m not a OTR truck driver by any means. I haul corn and beans for our farm to an elevator about 15 miles away, so I’m not claiming to know a lot about the trucking industry. That being said, isn’t the driver liable for the well being of the load? If that’s true then wouldn’t more expensive loads make the load more risky for the driver therefore giving the driver more opportunity to demand more money for the load being transported? So, If your hauling crap no one will pay you big money, but if your hauling diamonds, aren’t you responsible for their well being and able to demand the big bucks? If my logic is incorrect feel free to correct me.

Replied on Sat, Aug 04, 2018 at 07:35 AM CST

Posted by a private FlatLoads.com member.

I’m not a OTR truck driver by any means. I haul corn and beans for our farm to an elevator about 15 miles away, so I’m not claiming to know a lot about the trucking industry. That being said, isn’t the driver liable for the well being of the load? If that’s true then wouldn’t more expensive loads make the load more risky for the driver therefore giving the driver more opportunity to demand more money for the load being transported? So, If your hauling crap no one will pay you big money, but if your hauling diamonds, aren’t you responsible for their well being and able to demand the big bucks? If my logic is incorrect feel free to correct me.

Replied on Sat, Aug 04, 2018 at 08:40 AM CST
Posted by a private FlatLoads.com member.	Posted by a private FlatLoads.com member. Quote: "I’m not a OTR truck driver by any means. I haul corn and beans for our farm to an elevator about 15 miles away, so I’m not claiming to know a lot about the trucking industry. That being said, isn’t the driver liable for the well being of the load? If that’s true then wouldn’t more expensive loads make the load more risky for the driver therefore giving the driver more opportunity to demand more money for the load being transported? So, If your hauling crap no one will pay you big money, but if your hauling diamonds, aren’t you responsible for their well being and able to demand the big bucks? If my logic is incorrect feel free to correct me." If that is the logic you want to use, then the guy who drives the armored car to the bank should be getting a lot more pay then $14.00 am hour.

Replied on Sat, Aug 04, 2018 at 08:40 AM CST

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Quote: "I’m not a OTR truck driver by any means. I haul corn and beans for our farm to an elevator about 15 miles away, so I’m not claiming to know a lot about the trucking industry. That being said, isn’t the driver liable for the well being of the load? If that’s true then wouldn’t more expensive loads make the load more risky for the driver therefore giving the driver more opportunity to demand more money for the load being transported? So, If your hauling crap no one will pay you big money, but if your hauling diamonds, aren’t you responsible for their well being and able to demand the big bucks? If my logic is incorrect feel free to correct me."

If that is the logic you want to use, then the guy who drives the armored car to the bank should be getting a lot more pay then $14.00 am hour.

Replied on Sat, Aug 04, 2018 at 09:53 AM CST
Posted by a private FlatLoads.com member.	Posted by a private FlatLoads.com member. Quote: "The cost do move a load from point A to point B with same type of trailer shouldn't change based on the value of the load in the wagon. It doesn't matter if the load has a value of $100.00 or $100000.00 it cost the same amount of money to cart it the same distance. I understand that with a load less value has less margin in it but it doesn't change the fact that it still is going to cost the truck the same amount of money to move it compared to a load that has a greater value. Until the shipper/broker can understand that and price according it won't change. I'm sorry but my personal opinion is that I don't care what is in the wagon or it's value it still cost the same to move it. It's not my problem if said shipper/broker wants to move it cheap because there is less margin in a low value load. If it don't make you a profit then why are you loading it. If enough people would pass on this low priced stuff the price would come up. There are times that if a person would figure their time invested in a cheap load they would be money ahead to skip it. Add in a few extra miles coupled with load and unload times and that .25 a bushel on 80 miles doesn't look so hot. Especially when you sit in line to unload for 2 or 3 hours. Prime example of this is our river terminal. I have watched them throw out cheap rates and say that they will see who bites and if they don't get it moved they will bump the price up until it moves or pay up when they are about out of time. Same group will price Enid OK to Inola OK at .20 cents a bushel then start bringing it up a little at a time. They will get it up to .50 when they need it moved. Why not price it fair to begin with instead of playing games? The cheaper they get it moved the more money in their pocket because I'd be willing to bet that they aren't passing the savings back to the seller." I partially agree with you on the point that if the load is worth $100 or $100000 it it’s the same miles it's the same rate. I understand that at the base of you argument is you have the same fuel costs the same tag costs trucks are similar costs etc etc. Here is partially why loads have higher revenues on similar lanes..... Grain $25000 cargo insurance will cover most loads, on my step deck I carry $250000 cargo insurance. And there are about 3 times a year I have to increase it for specific trips to $500000 or higher. Grain spec’d out 3 axle Wilson $65000?im guessing as I haven’t priced one. Spec’d out 3 axle lo profile step $75000. A 3 axle RGN is probably $100000. I’m sure a 3 axle cattle pot is exceeding a 3 axle hopper as well. I haul oversized loads. Yes the rate to haul these are higher not just because of permit costs but also the amount of extra time, care, and hazards of the loads. Hopper extra equipment required.....broom maybe a scoop shovel $75 total......Step deck..... broom tarps straps chains binders oversized warning products corner protection ladder,easily $4500 in all the extras on my truck to do my daily job. I’m not arguing that we all should do the cheap crap out there leave it set in the bin on the dock on the ground in the pen. Only do the work that pays. What I am try to show is why any loads pay better for similar lanes.

Replied on Sat, Aug 04, 2018 at 09:53 AM CST

Posted by a private FlatLoads.com member.

I partially agree with you on the point that if the load is worth $100 or $100000 it it’s the same miles it's the same rate. I understand that at the base of you argument is you have the same fuel costs the same tag costs trucks are similar costs etc etc.
Here is partially why loads have higher revenues on similar lanes.....
Grain $25000 cargo insurance will cover most loads, on my step deck I carry $250000 cargo insurance. And there are about 3 times a year I have to increase it for specific trips to $500000 or higher.
Grain spec’d out 3 axle Wilson $65000?im guessing as I haven’t priced one. Spec’d out 3 axle lo profile step $75000. A 3 axle RGN is probably $100000. I’m sure a 3 axle cattle pot is exceeding a 3 axle hopper as well.
I haul oversized loads. Yes the rate to haul these are higher not just because of permit costs but also the amount of extra time, care, and hazards of the loads.
Hopper extra equipment required.....broom maybe a scoop shovel $75 total......Step deck..... broom tarps straps chains binders oversized warning products corner protection ladder,easily $4500 in all the extras on my truck to do my daily job.
I’m not arguing that we all should do the cheap crap out there leave it set in the bin on the dock on the ground in the pen. Only do the work that pays. What I am try to show is why any loads pay better for similar lanes.

Replied on Sat, Aug 04, 2018 at 11:34 AM CST
Posted by a private FlatLoads.com member.	Posted by a private FlatLoads.com member. Quote: "I wish a farmer could go to the Chicago board of trade and say "supply and demand doesn't matter" it cost me 470 dollars an acre so the price of corn should be 3.70 because that's what it costs me to put the crop in.........they would laugh untill they puked their guts out..... kinda like your statement about pulling an ag commodity in a hopper. Yes I get it, your cost per mile is x, so regardless of the loadvalue you SHOULD get your set price . As a farmer I get paid what the board of trade tells me I should get paid. My input cost is totally irrelevant. If a celebrity whispers mad cow disease I lose thousands. If you are pulling a hopper, you are in the Ag world so you are subject to our economy and our economy is not for the faint of heart. Keep in mind 1000 bushel of corn in your hopper is only 5 acres or so. Your dealing with 300 dollars profit margin in that hopper at that time. Same basic situation for wheat, beans, rice, potatoes, peas ect. For those that disagree, that's fine, I respect that. But try pulling a load of seed corn, or beans once, I bet they pay 4 bucks a mile. 50 pounds of seed corn is worth 120 bucks. 50 pounds seed beans 50 bucks. Or run an end dump in sugar beet country, theres profit in that part of Ag so I bet rates there are better. If you are pulling fertilizer or feed, and you get an extra 10 dollars per ton, that cost is being passed on to a customer that can NOT pay for it. Physically unable to write a good check for it. people in ag have been borrowing money for groceries for. 4 years. " If you don't like the price you get for your produce.,don't plant so much..Farmers are they're own worst enemy. They produce too much and the price will never go up.. Simple supply and demand.I hear it all the time the price of corn is down so the rate needs to go down ,so what if fuel went up,insurance went up ,licence went up. The trucker gets screwed. We should say no ,well so should the farmer.

Replied on Sat, Aug 04, 2018 at 11:34 AM CST

Posted by a private FlatLoads.com member.

Quote: "I wish a farmer could go to the Chicago board of trade and say "supply and demand doesn't matter" it cost me 470 dollars an acre so the price of corn should be 3.70 because that's what it costs me to put the crop in.........they would laugh untill they puked their guts out..... kinda like your statement about pulling an ag commodity in a hopper. Yes I get it, your cost per mile is x, so regardless of the loadvalue you SHOULD get your set price . As a farmer I get paid what the board of trade tells me I should get paid. My input cost is totally irrelevant. If a celebrity whispers mad cow disease I lose thousands. If you are pulling a hopper, you are in the Ag world so you are subject to our economy and our economy is not for the faint of heart. Keep in mind 1000 bushel of corn in your hopper is only 5 acres or so. Your dealing with 300 dollars profit margin in that hopper at that time. Same basic situation for wheat, beans, rice, potatoes, peas ect. For those that disagree, that's fine, I respect that. But try pulling a load of seed corn, or beans once, I bet they pay 4 bucks a mile. 50 pounds of seed corn is worth 120 bucks. 50 pounds seed beans 50 bucks. Or run an end dump in sugar beet country, theres profit in that part of Ag so I bet rates there are better. If you are pulling fertilizer or feed, and you get an extra 10 dollars per ton, that cost is being passed on to a customer that can NOT pay for it. Physically unable to write a good check for it. people in ag have been borrowing money for groceries for. 4 years. "

If you don't like the price you get for your produce.,don't plant so much..Farmers are they're own worst enemy. They produce too much and the price will never go up.. Simple supply and demand.I hear it all the time the price of corn is down so the rate needs to go down ,so what if fuel went up,insurance went up ,licence went up. The trucker gets screwed. We should say no ,well so should the farmer.

Replied on Sat, Aug 04, 2018 at 12:47 PM CST - 1
Posted by a private FlatLoads.com member.	Posted by a private FlatLoads.com member. Quote: "You can read this anyway you want, but the way I read that its saying that because I pay my lease driver percentage I have an obligation to show him my invoices, the problem is that would only apply if the broker was actually an asset based carrier and you leased your trucks to him at a percentage of the load" Any freight broker if requested has to show the bill that they send the shipper..just like your owner operator who is leased to you on a percentage pay..they have to request it..

Replied on Sat, Aug 04, 2018 at 12:47 PM CST

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Posted by a private FlatLoads.com member.

Quote: "You can read this anyway you want, but the way I read that its saying that because I pay my lease driver percentage I have an obligation to show him my invoices, the problem is that would only apply if the broker was actually an asset based carrier and you leased your trucks to him at a percentage of the load"

Any freight broker if requested has to show the bill that they send the shipper..just like your owner operator who is leased to you on a percentage pay..they have to request it..

Replied on Sat, Aug 04, 2018 at 12:50 PM CST
Posted by a private FlatLoads.com member.	Posted by a private FlatLoads.com member. Quote: "I’m not a OTR truck driver by any means. I haul corn and beans for our farm to an elevator about 15 miles away, so I’m not claiming to know a lot about the trucking industry. That being said, isn’t the driver liable for the well being of the load? If that’s true then wouldn’t more expensive loads make the load more risky for the driver therefore giving the driver more opportunity to demand more money for the load being transported? So, If your hauling crap no one will pay you big money, but if your hauling diamonds, aren’t you responsible for their well being and able to demand the big bucks? If my logic is incorrect feel free to correct me." One time I hauled a load that was worth 12 million dollars...if you think that loads that don't cost much shouldn't pay much for freight..that truck cost the same to run if that load was worth 50 cents as that load that was valued at 12 million bucks...

Replied on Sat, Aug 04, 2018 at 12:50 PM CST

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One time I hauled a load that was worth 12 million dollars...if you think that loads that don't cost much shouldn't pay much for freight..that truck cost the same to run if that load was worth 50 cents as that load that was valued at 12 million bucks...

Replied on Sat, Aug 04, 2018 at 02:18 PM CST + 1
Posted by a private FlatLoads.com member.	Posted by a private FlatLoads.com member. Quote: "One time I hauled a load that was worth 12 million dollars...if you think that loads that don't cost much shouldn't pay much for freight..that truck cost the same to run if that load was worth 50 cents as that load that was valued at 12 million bucks..." ever heard you can't get blood out of a turnip? and that 12 million dollar load probably cost less to haul cuz It wasnt at the weight limit. the problem is simple, the stuff that gets hauled in hoppers isn't worth much, so the guys shipping it can't afford to pay a shitload to have it moved. a 2000 dollar load of oats is getting right to the edge of not being legal weight. I would love to make 2000 dollars to pull it but they just plain can't afford to pay that much. don't like it go buy a reefer or get into specialized. the money is consistent with a hopper. the problem is that its consistently low

Replied on Sat, Aug 04, 2018 at 02:18 PM CST

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Quote: "One time I hauled a load that was worth 12 million dollars...if you think that loads that don't cost much shouldn't pay much for freight..that truck cost the same to run if that load was worth 50 cents as that load that was valued at 12 million bucks..."

ever heard you can't get blood out of a turnip? and that 12 million dollar load probably cost less to haul cuz It wasnt at the weight limit. the problem is simple, the stuff that gets hauled in hoppers isn't worth much, so the guys shipping it can't afford to pay a shitload to have it moved. a 2000 dollar load of oats is getting right to the edge of not being legal weight. I would love to make 2000 dollars to pull it but they just plain can't afford to pay that much. don't like it go buy a reefer or get into specialized. the money is consistent with a hopper. the problem is that its consistently low

Replied on Sat, Aug 04, 2018 at 07:32 PM CST
Posted by a private FlatLoads.com member.	Posted by a private FlatLoads.com member. Quote: "ever heard you can't get blood out of a turnip? and that 12 million dollar load probably cost less to haul cuz It wasnt at the weight limit. the problem is simple, the stuff that gets hauled in hoppers isn't worth much, so the guys shipping it can't afford to pay a shitload to have it moved. a 2000 dollar load of oats is getting right to the edge of not being legal weight. I would love to make 2000 dollars to pull it but they just plain can't afford to pay that much. don't like it go buy a reefer or get into specialized. the money is consistent with a hopper. the problem is that its consistently low" Soo the trucker should either.. not make money and go broke? Or make money and stay inbusiness.. The whole object is to make a living..and that 12 million dollar load doesn't need to be pushing 80,000 lbs.and if it was.. you couldn't put it where they wanted to put it... it was 12 foot wide..and an asset to the United States at the time. and if anything physically happened to the load..they would just throw it in the recycle bin..and start all over again..its not the weight.. but the load...

Replied on Sat, Aug 04, 2018 at 07:32 PM CST

Posted by a private FlatLoads.com member.

Quote: "ever heard you can't get blood out of a turnip? and that 12 million dollar load probably cost less to haul cuz It wasnt at the weight limit. the problem is simple, the stuff that gets hauled in hoppers isn't worth much, so the guys shipping it can't afford to pay a shitload to have it moved. a 2000 dollar load of oats is getting right to the edge of not being legal weight. I would love to make 2000 dollars to pull it but they just plain can't afford to pay that much. don't like it go buy a reefer or get into specialized. the money is consistent with a hopper. the problem is that its consistently low"

Soo the trucker should either.. not make money and go broke? Or make money and stay inbusiness.. The whole object is to make a living..and that 12 million dollar load doesn't need to be pushing 80,000 lbs.and if it was.. you couldn't put it where they wanted to put it... it was 12 foot wide..and an asset to the United States at the time. and if anything physically happened to the load..they would just throw it in the recycle bin..and start all over again..its not the weight.. but the load...

Replied on Sat, Aug 04, 2018 at 08:20 PM CST
Posted by a private FlatLoads.com member.	Posted by a private FlatLoads.com member. I’m not just replying to your comment but a few others in this thread that believer that a move from point a to b cost the same on every load. That is incorrect. Not every load from point A to B cost the same. If moved general freight from a to b, the cost of that Load generally ranges the same. I got to the same point A to B and pull machinery, ex. Robotics, the cost of that load goes up. The cargo is valued at 8.5 million vs. 1 million. That cost variance results in a higher cost of insurance that affects the carrier. Now does that cost increase change a drivers pay? Doubt it. And brokers know this. I’ve seen brokers tried to slide a 10 million dollar load of robotics through as general freight to avoid the cost of increased insurance. Now if that driver flips the truck loses the load, guess whose left making right in the lapse of insurance. The carrier to the sum of 9.25 mil. Most likely bankrupting that carrier. As for all in bulk freight and ag. Your importance is never forgotten in my home. And God bless everyone of you.

Replied on Sat, Aug 04, 2018 at 08:20 PM CST

Posted by a private FlatLoads.com member.

I’m not just replying to your comment but a few others in this thread that believer that a move from point a to b cost the same on every load. That is incorrect. Not every load from point A to B cost the same. If moved general freight from a to b, the cost of that Load generally ranges the same. I got to the same point A to B and pull machinery, ex. Robotics, the cost of that load goes up. The cargo is valued at 8.5 million vs. 1 million. That cost variance results in a higher cost of insurance that affects the carrier. Now does that cost increase change a drivers pay? Doubt it. And brokers know this. I’ve seen brokers tried to slide a 10 million dollar load of robotics through as general freight to avoid the cost of increased insurance. Now if that driver flips the truck loses the load, guess whose left making right in the lapse of insurance. The carrier to the sum of 9.25 mil. Most likely bankrupting that carrier.
As for all in bulk freight and ag. Your importance is never forgotten in my home. And God bless everyone of you.

Replied on Sat, Aug 18, 2018 at 07:02 PM CST - 1
Posted by a private FlatLoads.com member.	Posted by a private FlatLoads.com member. Each operation has different cost depending on equipment, drivers and location. Knowing your line item allocations for your baseline cost is important. Most do not know what the heck these are. How are they going to even have a concept of what Trucking for Profit is? Listening to a shipper, broker or another trucker that does not even know this is a ridiculous way for you to run your business. You put 100 truckers in a line only 10 will tell the truth. You put 100 brokers in a line only 5 will tell the truth. You put 100 shippers in a line only 1 will tell the truth.

Replied on Sat, Aug 18, 2018 at 07:02 PM CST

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Posted by a private FlatLoads.com member.

Each operation has different cost depending on equipment, drivers and location. Knowing your line item allocations for your baseline cost is important. Most do not know what the heck these are. How are they going to even have a concept of what Trucking for Profit is? Listening to a shipper, broker or another trucker that does not even know this is a ridiculous way for you to run your business.

You put 100 truckers in a line only 10 will tell the truth.
You put 100 brokers in a line only 5 will tell the truth.
You put 100 shippers in a line only 1 will tell the truth.

Replied on Mon, Aug 20, 2018 at 07:02 PM CST + 3
Posted by a private FlatLoads.com member.	Posted by a private FlatLoads.com member. Quote: "Each operation has different cost depending on equipment, drivers and location. Knowing your line item allocations for your baseline cost is important. Most do not know what the heck these are. How are they going to even have a concept of what Trucking for Profit is? Listening to a shipper, broker or another trucker that does not even know this is a ridiculous way for you to run your business. You put 100 truckers in a line only 10 will tell the truth. You put 100 brokers in a line only 5 will tell the truth. You put 100 shippers in a line only 1 will tell the truth." Very true Alfred....Truckers owners speak often of dollar per mile. Most don't know what it actually means for them. My opinion.Very few actually know what it costs them to operate, let alone,the profit margin required to make house payments, maintain a shop,put shoes on their kids feet,or set up any sort of a retirement for themselves so that the years of working so hard will lead to the quality retirement they've earned. That is where we get the truck owners that believe if the wheels are turning they are making money. When you add up all the costs for a person to feed the truck, feed the family, feed uncle sam, feed the brokers, feed the tire man, feed the insurance broker and try to reap the dividends he has coming for breaking his butt for so many years, you will end up with nothing if you don't set a standard for what the effort is worth. I have my own way of computing what my company needs and others will have theirs. I'm a small company and it is difficult to withstand the next wave of wheel turners. They keep coming. I don't hate them though. They are generally hard workers just trying to make it better for themselves and their families. I just wish there was a way to be able to teach them what it truly costs to operate. That cost would surprise most o/o's. I understand that most are trying not to go bankrupt due to not understanding the true costs. I wish good luck to all.

Replied on Mon, Aug 20, 2018 at 07:02 PM CST

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Posted by a private FlatLoads.com member.

Quote: "Each operation has different cost depending on equipment, drivers and location. Knowing your line item allocations for your baseline cost is important. Most do not know what the heck these are. How are they going to even have a concept of what Trucking for Profit is? Listening to a shipper, broker or another trucker that does not even know this is a ridiculous way for you to run your business. You put 100 truckers in a line only 10 will tell the truth. You put 100 brokers in a line only 5 will tell the truth. You put 100 shippers in a line only 1 will tell the truth."

Very true Alfred....Truckers owners speak often of dollar per mile. Most don't know what it actually means for them. My opinion.Very few actually know what it costs them to operate, let alone,the profit margin required to make house payments, maintain a shop,put shoes on their kids feet,or set up any sort of a retirement for themselves so that the years of working so hard will lead to the quality retirement they've earned. That is where we get the truck owners that believe if the wheels are turning they are making money. When you add up all the costs for a person to feed the truck, feed the family, feed uncle sam, feed the brokers, feed the tire man, feed the insurance broker and try to reap the dividends he has coming for breaking his butt for so many years, you will end up with nothing if you don't set a standard for what the effort is worth. I have my own way of computing what my company needs and others will have theirs. I'm a small company and it is difficult to withstand the next wave of wheel turners. They keep coming. I don't hate them though. They are generally hard workers just trying to make it better for themselves and their families. I just wish there was a way to be able to teach them what it truly costs to operate. That cost would surprise most o/o's. I understand that most are trying not to go bankrupt due to not understanding the true costs. I wish good luck to all.

Replied on Fri, Aug 24, 2018 at 10:13 PM CST - 1
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Replied on Sun, Aug 26, 2018 at 09:12 PM CST
Posted by a private FlatLoads.com member.	Posted by a private FlatLoads.com member. Quote: "Each operation has different cost depending on equipment, drivers and location. Knowing your line item allocations for your baseline cost is important. Most do not know what the heck these are. How are they going to even have a concept of what Trucking for Profit is? Listening to a shipper, broker or another trucker that does not even know this is a ridiculous way for you to run your business. You put 100 truckers in a line only 10 will tell the truth. You put 100 brokers in a line only 5 will tell the truth. You put 100 shippers in a line only 1 will tell the truth." Since the ELD implementation, the government has been studying the concept of privatization of the rest area's. In this study that's being done, it's been reported that one of the major problems is that the average trucking company only operates on a 1.75% profit margin, making it about impossible to charge truckers for parking. Yet many truckers will Bragg about how great they are doing? Can't afford to pay there drivers hourly, with overtime after 40, yet will argue with everyone about how rich they are getting in trucking.

Replied on Sun, Aug 26, 2018 at 09:12 PM CST

Posted by a private FlatLoads.com member.

Since the ELD implementation, the government has been studying the concept of privatization of the rest area's. In this study that's being done, it's been reported that one of the major problems is that the average trucking company only operates on a 1.75% profit margin, making it about impossible to charge truckers for parking. Yet many truckers will Bragg about how great they are doing? Can't afford to pay there drivers hourly, with overtime after 40, yet will argue with everyone about how rich they are getting in trucking.

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